Chances for Andover?

<p>Your story sounds compelling, while I do believe it, they have the perfect right to choose whether to believe it or not. So many people lie in their essays and intereview and stuff. My personal experience: I know several people who are applying to college use a made-up relative’s death story to explain low grades during a school year. Your SSAT scores hurt, but as many people said, you have “hooks”. These are real hooks for elite schools which are striving for diversity, not simply racially but economically. I dont know which school you go to, but if it’s a good BS (you said it’s a top all-girls’ BS) and you are doing quite well at it… they MIGHT overlook your scores, I mean, afterall, SSAT is just designed to be an indicator of whether a person is going to succeed at a rigorous academic environment. EDIT/<em>oh and i jsut went back and figured that you went to MP, while i dont agree that MP is on the same tier with AESDCH, just in terms of selectivity, SSAT average, endownment (resources avalible)… it is, definitely a top school</em>/EDIT
However, are you sure you are supposed to take SSAT to apply to 11th grade? I think you are supposed to take PSAT or SATs…</p>

<p>I think your email explaining your scores wont do much, since everyone could send adcoms emails and say the scores are fluke and they were just having a bad day…if everyone does that, what does the score do at all?
Also, I think you mentioned writing about your SSAT score in your essay…I think it wasnt a good idea…You have such a good story going for you and you wrote about your SSAT score? The school wants to know about you as a person, not something that they can see on your profile. But anyway, all is done…I wish you good luck and no matter what happens, you still have the unique experience that no other people can match</p>

<p>oh and as fairchildpg said, they have zero tolerance for dishonesty, I want to expand on that…2 years ago, someone lied in their application and got in… he was at the school for 2 months, they figured it out in november, he got kicked out, since he “shouldnt have gotten in in first place”</p>

<p>oh, and you should talk to your colllege office or admissions office at your school…they might have some sort of relationship with andover’s office.</p>

<p>SSAT is acceptable for eleventh grade applicants, but I think the SAT or PSAT is acceptance, too. I believe 12th grade applicants are not allowed to take the SSAT.</p>

<p>Blair took the SSAT and she’s applying for eleventh grade…</p>

<p>Dear rumawaymithme…</p>

<p>That was the most inspirational story I have ever heard of! Wholy Crap! You seem like a wonderful person who is determined, intelligent and brave!!!</p>

<p>I think you should right a novel about your inspirsational life. I would sure buy it… And I’m sure it would be a required reading for every school in the country, assuming your a talented writer, which you seem to be!!!</p>

<p>Anyway, I think you have a great chance, will your SSAT hurt you, well, ya, a ton, but I’m sure that Andover will understand that in a BS as rigourus as yours sounds, you probably dodn’t have time to study much. Not that people should study, but Andover knows the vast majority of people do. Also, your grades at your present school show you can handle the environment.</p>

<p>So don’t sweat it. I’m sure anyone who meas you would think your an amazing person!!! If it doesn’t work out, just look at how far you have come and the obstacles you have faced!</p>

<p>If I were Andover, I would except you, if that matters. Good luck on March 10th!!! And thank you for making this day a little brighter!!!</p>

<p>For what it is worth, when I first read this story I wondered why the alarm on my b.s. detector was flashing. I really did think o.p. was laying on with a trowel and was in fact rather intrigued by how Suze would react. Speaking as an old fart genrally sympathetic to the disadvantaged, I would have to ask the o.p. 'if you’re already on the bus , why are your running after it?" I suppose the Andover people will ask themselves the same.</p>

<p>There is nothing at Andover you don’t already have at Miss Porter’s. You have fair to mediocre grades and a flair for telling sob stories. Sorry.</p>

<p>Agree with Paleozoic. Alarms were going off in my head. I think the 89 SSAT vs. 39 SSAT (or whatever the numbers were) are due to Runawaywithme’s poor memory of what she had posted earlier.</p>

<p>By the way a good friend of mine’s mother works in the Admissions Office of one of the schools that is mentioned here a lot. They read this forum and are able to identify most of the people who post here based on their applications (names, essays, etc.)</p>

<p>I sure fell into the naive pool on this one Paleozoic. All that 13 year old idealism here has taken it’s toll.</p>

<p>Thanks for all the responses everyone. It is really interesting to see how people on this forum can totally skew so many things that are miniscule to say a person is “dishonest”. None of you ever have to believe me by no means, and that’s fine but I would like to to just say that I am not dishonest about my life or the things that I’ve been through. Yes, I come from a single-parent household, yes I was homeless while homeschooled.None of it is a lie. Our low income attests to that, records saying my father has never payed child-support, and so on. My mother made $2,000 and PA had to see that since I’m applying for financial aid. that’s not a lie at all. It’s obvious we’ve faced obstacles. Yes, I was homeschooled. When we homeschooled we had to get permission for the city and there are so many records of that. Yes, I was homeless while I was homeschooled. The shelter keeps records of who comes in, and when I was being selected for my scholarship, although there were security protection procedures it was made sure from the homeless shelter that I was homeless there while homeschooled and that I taught myself there, etc. It’s not too surprising that people on this forum do not believe my story because there have been people all through my life who could never believe how my mother did what she did and how I was able to turn out the way I have despite all the hardships. There are people that have told us we would never make it and people that plain out don’t believe all we go through. I can tell you that the girls who are also on the scholarship I have are all so amazing and have gone through things you would never believe and would think are untrue. Together we keep eachother strong, despite many people who just, don’t understand.Sometimes it’s too real or to hard to believe, and I’m used to that. My mother wanted to show me that I can be a ballet dancer, and interested in music and classics and all that stuff regardless of what I go through. She always sacrificed for me to do to this, have a good education, or yes, take a train a few times to NYC to have the experience of modeling. fairchildpg mentioned that andover has no tolerance for dishoesty and absolutley I believe that is true and I am in no way dishonest and I would argue that my current school and oprah winfrey are not tolerant of dishonesty either and they would not have opened such doors for me if I were lying to be someone I’m not. It’s quite obvious when a person would lie about something like this. i’m sure there are plenty of loop holes people could find to prove if I was in fact homeless, homeschooled, poor, etc. and the fact is all of this is true. when I applied to schools in my 8th grade, they didn’t have a phone to call because we had no phone and it’s in their file. they also didn’t have an address, rather correspondance was through a minority program I’m a part of because we moved so many times. the only reason I am even in boarding school is because someone believed in me. while homeless, i could not attend my ballet classes all the time anymore. a good friend of mine was a dancer there and her father and my mom would talk in the lobby since we happened to be the only african-americans at the dance school.when the father asked my mom why I was not coming, she had to tell him that it was because we didn’t have a home, we were living in our car and it was too hard to get to the school. he believed in us and told us about a program called a better chance that placed disadvantaged minorities in prep schools. he was a graduate of the program, ironically. through them, i was able to get to boarding school and a representative in the spring of my 7th grade came to talk with me from there and he came to the homeless shelter. it was through this program that when things did not work out with other boarding schools, I got my scholarship. They knew I was homeless because they came to talk to me while I was homeless in action. You guys don’t have to believe this but obviously since people judge and make assumptions or call a person dishonest, I guess I should share more. To be honest, I would never lie about this and like I’ve said, I have for a long time been very embarrassed about this. It’s not easy to tell a person that your really poor, that you don’t have a phone, that your so thin because you don’t have food, to not have sleepovers at your house like your friends because your house is empty. It’s not easy at all and I wouldn’t lie about it. My mother had to convince me to write an essay about it this because she knows that it is a big part of who I am and no, I have not lied about it. I’m sure that a current Andover student and their family would not recommend the school to me or try to make a way for me to go, if they knew I were dishonest about who I am but my friend at andover and her family know everything my mother and i have been through and that is why they want to help me through this. If people wonder why I chose to write about my SSATs in my essay a short answer is because standardized test scores have always been my weakness and never really shown who I am as a student. I did very well on my PSATs, but badly on my SSAT’s, for example, so it’s always been very fickle for me and depends on the day, the test, whatever. I didn’t harp on SSATs in the essay, rather I mentioned what my obstacles are today and how I am working on them and what I want to do to combat them, which some are math,science, standardized test taking, etc. I’m not trying to come off as so amazing and perfect, rather I recognized me weaknesses and addressed them. If they don’t like that, so what, I’m trying to really tell them who I am and admit what I’m weak at. I wrote and submitted the essay before even knowing the scores. And to be honest, I don’t ever remember getting an 89th percentile on my SSAT’s because my rep from A Better Chance told me that my scores were very low and an 89th percentile does not seem low to me. So, I don’t know where my numbers were coming from. It’s been so long since writing that, that I couldn’t even say what that’s about. Before knowing the outcome, I thought my file when I was applying to prep school in 8th grade was amazing. Why? Because I submitted as much as I could and I worked hard while homschooled. I had a rec from the librarian from the library I used to always go to in 7th grade, rec from a ballet teacher, an essay that I thought was great, a good interview, etc. but looking back it really was weak and I don’t think people should judge based on something I wrote while in 8th grade and in the process. I personally don’t think that a person can build victory on a foundation of lies and dishonesty and I wouldn’t be where I am if I had lied my way through in no way. and blairt, how does a drop in SSAT scores attest to a lack of determination and slacking off once you get to boarding school. I don’t think a single standardized test, which frankly is very controversial and racially censored, can show how determined someone is. I think a test like that is about stategy and unfortunately, i’m not very strategic at standardized tests. and determination is not just about grades either, I think determination is about defeating your obstacles, which yes I have done and continue to do. in my email to andover, i mentioned what steps i am taking to rise from the obstacle of standardized test taking, math, science, etc. whether or not my email to the interviewer helped or not, it does not matter to me because I think the school got a good understanding of me through my personal recs from teachers and advisor, my statements, my mother’s statement, what i’ve done in and outside of my community, the community service i do, etc. In terms of being loyal to my current school, yes it is a great school. I put it in the same tier as andover, exeter, sps regardless of what people might argue. not every school is perfect for everyone and i’m not sure yet if my school is perfect or right for me, but it does not mean i don’t appreciate the school. it has formed me to be someone who has evolved from where i was when I arrived and i have recommended the school to many ppl on this forum, girls back at home, etc. it was hard for me to send in an application because i don’t want to seem ungrateful to what I’ve been given, which is why I applied to only one school and not a whole bunch because i do not intend to just leave to any school and forget about what I’ve been given. i’m trying to follow my passion for classics and ballet and I applied after my advisor and teacher advising me to weigh my options and follow my heart where I could get the most out of my last, most important two years. It’s not in any way me being not loyal and just because I’m accepted, does not mean I will just leave. From now until then, I am weighing out everything and i don’t know which way I’ll go but either way, I’m following my heart, either by going after my interests or staying to work hard and do my best for ms.winfrey and the people here that changed my life.Andover has the right to accept me or reject me, absolutley and if I am rejected, it is not because I was dishonest, but because it wasn’t meant to be. My advisor, ms.winfrey, people who truly know me know that my background is true and that is supported in their recommendations, from my mother, not just from me. And in no way, do I expect for Andover do get me in to Harvard. And to be honest, people on this forum have no idea what it is that attracts me to harvard. people don’t even know that frankly, i don’t even know if i want to go there anymore. I can tell you that it is not the prestige by no means, just how I haven’t applied to andover for prestige, raher it was because i’m wanting to chase after my deepest interests at a school that offers it, in addition to diversity, great academics, etc. </p>

<p>blairt:
please keep in mind that it not too easy to pursue ballet while at boarding school. ballet is not offered everywhere, especially when a dancer is looking for advanced, classical ballet. I have tried doing this off-campus, but my mother can no longer afford lessons next year, transportation is very difficult, so I won’t be able to continue with ballet next year off campus. please also keep in mind that yes, you can do independent study which I have already begun doing and am doing this summer, but only one teacher at my school can teach those independents in latin and greek, as I am intersted in, and they are not offered every year and now that they have a newborn, they will not be offered next year. this is why i chose to weigh my options and it’s not like I am not realizing or trying to work with what i have. and no, i’m not trying to use my situation from two years ago even though being accustomed to my situation now. please keep in mind, that although my school situation and living environment at school is nicer, i have to go home and going home keeps you reminded and humble and aware of your past and not only that but your past carries with you and you you don’t just forget about it once you’ve gotten a piece of the american dream. it lives with you in all you do. i realized that when I came to boarding school and that is what i wrote about to andover and how although i try to move on from it, it forms me now.i’m sorry if you do not understand that, because it can be a complicated thing, but that is the case for me. try to think of ms.winfrey. although she is such a success and amazing and fine now, she still remembers her hardships today and she justifies it by being a humanitarian, writing about it, talking about it. absolutley, she could just forget about it now that she’s fine but she doesn’t and i understand that in her.
and msu: i’m not using my background to get in. i don’t think a person can get in for that one thing, although i may be wrong, but in my application, i focused on expressing who i am through the things i’ve done like going to africa to work with poor kids and aids infected kids, or my involvement with my school christian group, or writing for my school paper, or how i’ve challenged myself with ballet and classics, that was the bulk of how I presented myself. I didn’t even mentione my story in any part other than my essay (not in my interview, short answers, nothing). The only reason why I shared my story here is because I think it has formed me and shaped my strengths and weaknesses and i’m not trying to get in my saying “hey i was homeless” but by saying that that experience was so profound that “this is why I am the way I am”. So, my point is, you guys need to realize that you can’t call a person dishonest when you don’t know them and also that there is no way that i could ever lie about my background or get this far by lying about it. you can’t judge that i’m not loyal to my school or anyone, when you don’t know all reasons why I chose to apply to this one school, or who has encouraged me to give it a shot. you don’t have to believe me at all and it’s too bad people are negative. there may be “inconsistencies” in what I have written like 2 years ago, but that does not mean I’m dishonest or lying about who I am, but the fact that none of you know my full background and are tring to analyze and put together the meaning of different posts and sometimes when you put them I also do not understand why all of you seem to be focusing just on my story, and not really looking at other things I mentioned. My story may be inspiring, and thank you for saying that, but I would love to be recognized for the other things I have done such as what I’ve done in my school or helping kids or things like that. There’s more to me than my story and I shared it so you could unserstand a little my character. But, it’s all good. I know who I am and the people who togehter they don’t make sense because you don’t know everything. have believed in me and helped me along the way know who I am. I will someday write my life story, and maybe my mother’s, as well. And soon, you will see me on oprah and I hope then you will recognize then, and I speak for everyone that has faced something in their life extraordinary, that just because people on the outside can’t understand, does not mean that you should ever forget or question or be ashamed or try to not share your light. Regardless of what happens, I will keep moving forward and doing my best and dreaming, even though people may never understand and people may never believe me.</p>

<p>That is really long. Consider breaking it up into paragraphs next time.</p>

<p>PEOPLE Please lay off this kid… remember she is a KID and working very hard towards something… It is not our place to judge her or her intentions…</p>

<p>Even if you dont believe her… give her the benefit of doubt…</p>

<p>Yes she has a sweat deal, and she is reaching for something even better… WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT??? </p>

<p>How many of us (adults and kids on this forum) dont do the same? I will say every single one of us has it very good, but we are trying for something better…</p>

<p>i also just wanted to add something that doesn’t just pertain to me, necassarily. Just because a person has something great, that does not mean that what they have is best for them. People on the outside might wonder why a person given an acceptance to harvard, for example, would choose to go to their state college, or why a girl at a great school on an honorable scholarship and doing fine would think about giving it up just to dance and translate vergil. it might seem stupid, but sometimes wanting to be happy or wanting to follow your passion can make you do things people wouldn’t understand. what you think might is the perfect deal is not always what it’s cracked up to be. i really appreciate what alij said about how people, no matter who you, always try to do better or get better. Some people do it for greed and some people do it for passion, but either way, I think there comes a time in everyone’s life when you ask yourself what’s important to you and go after something you don’t have. That might not make sense, but whatever.</p>

<p>On March 10, 2005, she reported she had been accepted to and was going to Exeter. A different story then she told here. We take out time to write serious responses, it’s reasonable to expect the OP is telling the truth.</p>

<p>I know know why the bs detector was going off. Two years ago op posted asking about the quality of SPS and I responded. If she followed this up she would have known that there was in fact a ballet programme plus a classical honours programme at SPS.</p>

<p>The story line on her background which at the time I took to be plausible was “I live in a single-parent household. Father is a dead-beat loser and left my mom when she was 6 months pregnant.We are not homeowners-we live in a 2 bedroom apartment. Somehow we seem to get by. Make about $16,000.” This is not exactly new vistas in gracious living but a long way from living in a car with a mother who somehow is enough in the know to fund ballet and to be capable of homeschooling. In my work in northern Canada I come accross daily instances of girls who are in fact living in unheated shacks in -40, are sexual prey to every male in their community and are still trying to educate themselves. Straight up, if I were on Andover admissions committee I would think “the lady protests to much”. Maybe the wounds of streetlife is her subjective true belief but I would feel I were being zoomed.</p>

<p>i think i do remember you or somebody here telling me about sps when i inquired. i did actually know that sps had an amazing dance program, focused in ballet and classics, which is why i wanted to go there so badly before, as my posts early say. money is always an issue though, and i was really hoping for the walker scholarship offered to minorities it was not availible at the time when i had been taken off the waitlist. also, i was homeless in 7th, not 8th grade. my mom made that much that you mentioned in my 8th grade, as my post says. ballet is very expensive and my mother has sacrificed a lot to pay ballet bills and cover the costs of what my dance scholarship does not cover.8th grade got a lot better financially for my mother and i since we were able to save while in the shelter and i could have a tutor in my 8th grade, although the meetings were always infrequent. but get your dates right.you can feel "zoomed’ if you like. just because a person is disadvantaged does not mean they cannot find a way to pursue ballet or homeschool. it might be very hard and some things can’t be taken care of in order to make other things work, but it can happen. i’m surprised that after encountering girls in canada, you remain so blind to understanding that experiences are complex. i know for a fact that in my work in the townships of sub-saharan africa last summer where I worked with some orphan girls in commercial sex, and boys begging on the streets all day it was clear to me that things i went through are much more prevalent abroad and i hope to educate more people about that. i hope you do the same. instead of judging the kids or questioning how they could be in private school for example, when they have no home or parents, i understood from personal experience that things are complex and people make a way. the same.</p>

<p>On top of other things in my misspent life I once did rather a lot of refugee work, where the ultimate test was is the refugee story convincing enough to merit admission. We can go up and down the scale on this but as far as i’m concerned on the basis of the facts you present, I would think you are trying to make the best of a story. Maybe in in AliJ’s world this kind of overwritten sob story is normal–indeed I remember a rather painful thread where he was accused of this himself–but i’m afraid you are in danger of going to the well once too often with this one. Nevertheless, as the French say “on verra”–we shall see.</p>

<p>In my brief time posting here I’ve avoided these “What are my chances?” threads on these grounds:</p>

<p>1) I’m an adult and is this is a harmless amusement for the kids;
2) It’s an exercise in futility: the blind leading the blind, so there’s nothing at stake; and
3) The information provided is flawed, skewed and biased (has anyone reported that their recommendations suck or that they submitted crappy essays or that the admissions officer found them to be totally annoying and grating?)</p>

<p>So, when it comes to light that a girl who was being homeschooled by a single mom who wasn’t paying the rent may have embellished her “What are my chances?” post, the reaction here reminds me of Capt. Renault in Casablanca: </p>

<p>Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?</p>

<p>Captain Renault: I’m shocked! Shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! </p>

<p>(A croupier hands Renault a pile of money)</p>

<p>Croupier: Your winnings, sir.</p>

<p>Captain Renault (sotto voce): Oh, thank you very much.</p>

<p>Captain Renault (aloud): Everybody out at once! </p>

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<p>“What are my chances?” is a silly little game. An amusement. A diversion in which none of the advice given – particularly now, after the applications are “all in” – is anything but make-believe advice with no impact on the space-time continuum. I don’t think this thread changes any of that. For those who choose…have fun with it. Don’t take it too seriously or feel too offended if the facts provided or the advice that’s given aren’t accurate.</p>

<p>The “If You Could Choose…” thread falls under this same category, except that everyone pretty much understands that it’s a silly diversion and – for that reason – I don’t mind chiming in every now and then (although, in truth, it’s also just another kids’ game where adults like me should probably butt out altogether if we had good sense.)</p>

<p>I agree “what are my chances thread” are mostly useless and bring out the worst in everybody. Nevertheless, sometimes, they do give vulnerable kids an intimation of how the game is played. </p>

<p>What got to me in this discussion is not the obvious embellishment of the story–the girl’s mother by her own admission was once “a faculty member at Mount Holyoke and connected to Smith and Wellesley”. I don’t know but it would seem to me that an ex faculty of Mount Holyoke temporarily down on her luck can be compared to the kind of people I see and would like to encourage to apply to St. Paul’s. What is false about this whole thing is the tone, the sense of entitlement, the readiness to embellish.</p>

<p>As far as I’m concerned, she applied to SPS, Exeter, Hotchkiss and Andover before–got in at exeter, chose not to go and is now trying her luck again at Andover. If the centre of gravity of her story had been that she realized she made a mistake going to Miss Porter, I would think the admissions people would have dealt with it straight up–likely refused because of her grades and the extra-ordinary difficulty associated with 11th grade entries. But she chose obviously to embellish, to create a stereotype of walking up hill both ways to get where she was, of deserving a special accommodation that nothing in her current situation warrants. One never knows how this will be received, we live after all in a golden age of b.s, but if it works, how will all the other little 14 year old cynics play the game?</p>

<p>These boards ARE read by admissions staff members at boarding schools. The admissions people at Miss Porters (very nice staff!) have most certainly been on the phone with the admissions staff at Andover. The New England boarding school community pretty tight. (Administrators at these schools read your Facebook profiles too!) Runawaywithme, you need to be extremely careful about posting with such clearly identifiable details on a public chat board, especially with all of those conflicting details. Let this episode be a good lesson for when you apply to colleges. Character matters!</p>

<p>If admission staff members choose to read the posts on CC, that’s fine because I think it is clear that everything I have said is not a lie and all true and in my file. I think admission members are trained professionals and realize that CC is an educational forum, not something to attest to a person’s character. I trust that admission officers are skilled to know that they do not need CC posts as a tool for their admission process. Admission officers know that people come on this forum to get advice on what their chances are or how to apply to a school, and that CC isn’t something to be used to weigh if a student is being honest about who they are, or a deciding factor to accept or not accept a student. Whether or not MPS is/has been on the phone with Andover, I trust that Andover is not shallow enough to use this as a deciding factor and I also trust that MPS knows who I truly am. Internet forums, whether it be CC others, misrepresent so many things. In the end what I learned from posting this was that I should have just trusted in my file from the beginning and believed in the inspiration and people along the way that have encouraged me. Rather than trying to get advice from people who don’t know me at all. Unfortunately, I think the ppl on CC do not know me or what the people who know me and are supporting my candidacy have said. It’s too bad.</p>

<p>Runawaywithme- Wait so is it true that your mother was once a faculty member at Mount Holyoke and connected to Smith and Wellesly?</p>

<p>Unfortunately you were undone by your own posting.It is likely this lengthy thread will be equally haunting in the future.Good luck, I hope you find what you are looking for.</p>