Cheater's father sues school

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<p>NYC public schools does not run school buses for most junior high/high schools. </p>

<p>Students not within walking distance have to rely on public transit(subway, bus, and/or Staten Island Ferry) or in extreme rare circumstances…a parent dropping them off.* </p>

<p>No parking lots so students can’t drive themselves to/from school. </p>

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<li>Practically no parent does this in practice because of conflicting parental schedules and traffic issues in the area school is located. That and most classmates back in the '90s would have considered it a sign the parent still views the HS kid as an elementary school kid.</li>
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<p>Ha, ha, Cobrat, I just did a drive this morning, driving my NYC student to school because the train was delayed and he does not want to be late–he has a full and very long day today, probably won’t be home till 10PM due to athletic event in Staten Island. And there was a long line of cars dropping off kids so I wasn’t the only one.</p>

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<p>Sounds like there’s room for a long line of cars dropping off kids at your kid’s high school. That wouldn’t have been the case at my high school…especially at its old location. I can just see the angry local residents, businesses/offices, and police trying to deal with the traffic congestion on that small one-way street.</p>

<p>andi0527…It depends on how you view cheating. As one of the more hardline views here, I never have and never will view cheating as a “mistake”. It’s a conscious, intentional, unethical decision…and in my mind there should not be any consideration of “differing levels of cheating”.</p>

<p>Making a decision to do something that is intentional or unethical can be a considered a “mistake”. If someone shows remorse for what they did it can be viewed as a mistake. No one is perfect. Kids even adults lack judgement at times and make decisions that they regret. Just because they do something that is lacking judgement doesn’t make them bad people and they deserve no forgiveness. They shouldn’t be hung in the school square by their toes for all to be seen. If you have any religious beliefs you know that God forgives and people can repent for their mistakes. I think the schools know that they are in the business of helping these kids suceed and if they see a kid that is normally a good student who has never been in trouble for anything before depending on how severe the mistake is they are going to given a lesser punishment. If the world operated with the thought that you commited a crime no matter what it was you deserve the death penalty, then that would be pretty sad.</p>

<p>^ Noone is executing children for cheating. However there should be ramifications for your actions.</p>

<p>^ Noone is executing children for cheating. However there should be ramifications for your actions.</p>

<p>The hardline attitude shown here by some might as well mean these kids should be executed for their crime. I never said their shouldn’t be any ramifications.</p>

<p>Texaspg - how would you like your school’s tardy policy to read? That kids can be late as often as they want if they have a parent note? That’s not a good or fair solution at all. Or are are you saying there should be a bigger DISincentive for skipping class (for instance, the same detention as for 3 tardies)? In Texas Public schools, there are ultimately consequense for unexcused absences, although not after just 1. But frankly, 3 tardies per semester seems more than fair. And our teachers certainly do not start looking the other way in 11th or 12th…</p>

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<p>As much as I agree with some of the things you have said, this is really an exaggeration of even the hardest line stance taken here.</p>

<p>I do respect the point you are trying to make, though.</p>

<p>"And our teachers certainly do not start looking the other way in 11th or 12th… "</p>

<p>Our experiences are different. As they say on CC YMMV.</p>

<p>The school could have kicked him out of school totally…</p>

<p>More parent insanity:</p>

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<p>In my son’s IB Spanish class, all of the students routinely cheated except my son. They either copied from the top native speaker whose educated parents helped her do her own homework, or they divided the work and copied from each other. They did this because the homework was not over what she taught and was so long that no one could complete it in the time provided by themselves. I asked the teacher to give more time, reduce the length of the lessons and give homework over what she was teaching and testing on. But, she refused. My son pulled an all nighter every week on Monday night which was also the night he had an eighth class at night. This made him basically exhausted and sick all year. The homework counted for forty per cent of the grade. His grades on homework were in the low 90’s–very low for him. The others would make phenomenal homework grades because they were doing little or none of it themselves and double checking with others on the little they did if they did any at all. On the tests, however, my son and the top native speaker both made grades in the high nineties while the rest of the class flunked. </p>

<p>The teacher also never graded it till grades were due, so my son could not learn from his mistakes, a very important thing to do since she had not taught much of what the homework covered in the first place. This left him making the same mistakes over and over and getting marked down for it before he could see their original mistakes. This made it harder for the other kids who might have resisted cheating if they thought they had a chance to pass without it to do the right thing.</p>

<p>At first the teacher told me what a great mom I was. After I asked her to change her homework practices, she refused to speak to me.
I asked the principal to address these matters, but he said she had been there too long for him to be able to do anything. </p>

<p>The other parents were aghast at the homework practices and knew their kids were cheating, but all of them refused to say anything because they feared retaliation when it came to recommendations and scholarship awards. They also refused to insist their kids do their own work. So, the parents who were mostly physicians, attorneys, programmers, scientists, and teachers, sat mute while I did the bidding for the students and my son did his own work. Well, it just made me the bad guy and them the good parents to the administration and the teacher, who was also department head.</p>

<p>That top native speaker got a gold medal in the national Spanish exam, and my son got a silver. The others scored very low. You see, their homework grades were very good, usually high nineties, but they flunked almost every test to the student. The teacher allowed them to make up the difference by doing “projects” like making Spanish valentines and taking super easy makeup tests, as well as dropping low grades. Apparently, she changed some grades for some kids too simply by adding twenty or thirty points. </p>

<p>I felt somewhat that my efforts had been in vain, but my son held his course and pulled those all nighters. I was proud of him though as a mother I felt horrible letting him do it. In the end, he recovered and went on to accept at a college that has a strong honor code. I believe my standing up for what was right encouraged him to continue to refuse to cheat when he could have given in out of exhaustion and illness. </p>

<p>We are a culture of cheaters. We can complain anonymously here, but what good does that really do? We might instead or in addition at least in our homes and businesses and government offices refuse to be dishonest and insist that coworkers be honest as well. Our kids really do follow in our footsteps. We do want them to do the right thing for us when we are old and for our grandkids when they raise them. Think about that.</p>

<p>notrichenough–It never occurred to me before, but our high school sports system is so not FAIR! (use whiny tone of voice). EVERYONE should be allowed to be on the team! </p>

<p>:rolleyes:</p>

<p>If you can’t make the BB or football team, you go out for cross country or similar sport where EVERYONE participates. The more you run, the better you get. It’s up to you.</p>

<p>Throw the witch into the water! If she floats she’s a witch, if she drowns, R.I.P.</p>

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I don’t think native speakers should be allowed to take their native language as a foreign language. </p>

<p>If the IB’rs cheated in Spanish, don’t you think they cheated in other subjects/other things, also? (Perhaps they padded those CAS hours?) Then again, maybe that’s what a “global” education (IB)really means, right? (Look at the Chinese!)</p>

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<p>Hey, that’s discrimination! I’m suing. That was a joke, but it is actually discriminatory. Imagine you went to Japan or something and you took English. You’re a native speaker, yet they don’t have enough native speakers to clump into one class. What if they didn’t allow you to take English? I would be angry.</p>

<p>What Journier explained above is what happened in my high school and what happens now. It’s not “fair” but it’s never fair. Do you think these Chinese students that study the fire out of themselves for the Chinese SAT won’t take an opportunity to move ahead of their peers? Some rent hotel rooms near their schools and so forth. It’s not fair, it’s all a game, the quest for knowledge BS is a nice little idealist trip to feed yourself after you achieve what you want. There is always inequality.</p>

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<p>Unbelievable. Seriously, words just fail me. It’s cases like that which make me think that people who file ridiculous lawsuits should be required to reimburse the defendants’ legal fees when their suits are thrown out or are found to be without merit by a judge or jury.</p>

<p>I do feel bad for the family in the basketball case. The kid made the team in August, then was replaced when the football season ended. He’d been practicing with the team for months and then was kicked off. </p>

<p>But still, definitely not a reason for a lawsuit.</p>

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That in itself is weird, at every place I’ve been, basketball is a winter sport, and football is a fall sport. Tryouts for winter sports happen after fall sports are over.</p>

<p>"think that people who file ridiculous lawsuits should be required to reimburse the defendants’ legal fees "</p>

<p>Unfortunately the wrong people like the parent who sued the church picketing his war dead son’s funeral get scre@#d in this reimbursement racket under freedom of speech rights trumping the right to a private funeral.</p>