<p>Anyone else notice a growing sense of entitlement from parents?</p>
<p>leadinglife, perhaps you should use your (insufficient) time to work on your homework rather than posting in online forums.</p>
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<p>learn to prioritize your time. i had a job, tons of APs and was on the math team and i got my work done and i had little compared to other students who all worked their asses off on top of jobs. You most likely didn’t have two hours of homework assigned per night. it might have taken you 2 hours, but there wasn’t 2 hours of content. it was probably 30 min that expanded into 2 hours due to laziness, web surfing, internet chatting, etc. it might have taken you 2 hours to do something with all that put in, but if you just sat your ass down for 30 min and actually focused, you probably could have finished it in a significantly shorter amount of time. </p>
<p>also, good luck in college if you ever plan to go into science or engineering.</p>
<p>I think part of the problem is that colleges don’t set the right tone at the top. </p>
<p>As a Penn alum, I am soooo furious that they wouldnt fire the person who lied about having Phd until newspapers broke the story. Then there is UT (not Austin, satellite) who also lied about Phd. </p>
<p>Its time to demand accountability at the top.</p>
<p>" Anyone else notice a growing sense of entitlement from parents? "</p>
<p>No kidding ! </p>
<p>And not only that, but so many parent’s teach their children that rules are for other people and absolutely no personal responsiblity</p>
<p>Maybe it’s just my school, which I doubt, but every student always knows what’s expected of them (ie. hand in one sheet with four students names on it, work as a group and turn in separate assignments, work independently, etc.). However, many students pretend they don’t know what is expected of them so that they can get by easier or not do any work. So I don’t think you’re argument is very valid. </p>
<p>However, I do agree we need more info. If they knew they’d be kicked out for any cheating then they deserve it. If they were not told they’d be kicked out and they “cheated” on a basic homework assignment, then this might be a bit harsh. </p>
<p>This dad is crazy though. If our child is cheating at all on anything, whether they get kicked out of Ib or not, they are not ivy material. Deal with it, your child’s not perfect</p>
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<p>Umm… wait til college?</p>
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<p>One of the jerkiest teachers I’ve ever had was teaching my HS freshman language class relished reminding us all about that every single day we had him.</p>
<p>After graduating college I looked back at high school and realized how easy stuff really was then and how little we had to do. And really I didn’t feel like college was too bad although there was still plenty of “busy-work” but the material was definitely harder…</p>
<p>I would think copying someone else’s work (in this case, journal entries assignment for Honors English class) & claiming it as one’s own would be seen as plagiarism. Perhaps this explains the rather harsh consequence. In our school, if we broke the honor code, it’s 3 strikes & you’re out (suspension). Even if there is no record on this kid’s transcript & he is still eligible for the IB program next year, isn’t this still a form of disciplinary action that the GCs need to “honestly” report to the colleges?</p>
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<p>Good point. In addition to forgetting about the Ivy League…that kid can also forget about any colleges with Honor Code traditions like Oberlin College or UVA. </p>
<p>He can also forget about any of the Federal Service Academies as they also take an extremely dim view of those predisposed to “honors violations”. </p>
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<p>I had almost the opposite experience. </p>
<p>Had a much easier time managing my workload, juggling ECs, and part-time work in college than juggling academics and ECs in high school. I also didn’t struggle nearly as much to keep up as I did in my HS courses…and I was on the “slacker track” there. </p>
<p>Even the sal of my class who ended up at MIT remarked at how much more free time he had in college.</p>
<p>I don’t know of any university that does not have strict honor codes. I recall my son having to commit to some of them even on the Common App, signing his life away into perpetuity regarding past, present, and future ethical standards. When I hear of situations like this where the parent goes litigious-postal, it reminds me that the kid likely got his unethical behavior right from good ol’ dad.</p>
<p>I go to one of these competitive publics. In fact, I’m pretty near the kid in this article, and I would assume our schools are quite similar. I understand the pressure he was under. I also completely understand the feeling of not being able to finish everything. It is not unusual for me to spend 5-6 hours a night on homework and studying (usually more time studying, less time on actual assignments). In addition to holding a couple part time jobs, an internship, and ECs, I understand the stress. I don’t blame the kid at all for what he did. That might be an unpopular opinion, but the kind of cheating he did was commonplace. </p>
<p>That said, he should have accepted the punishment. Who cares if there is a small loophole in the rules? He deserves to be punished. The response is stupid. </p>
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<p>This has been the general consensus at my school, particularly among those going to top schools. I think that the exhaustion of top students going to school 8-3, ECs 3-7, then homework 8-2 wears them down. When they got to top schools, not having the 8-3 chunk of time sitting in classes seems to be great for them. I can only hope the same will be true when I get to college.</p>
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<p>Staying up till 2 am juggling all of that was considered normal even for the slacker students like myself. Most HS friends stayed up much later than that…and few of them were “top students”. </p>
<p>Most of us also had commutes of up to 2.5 hours each way on public transportation and some of us juggled part-time jobs as well. </p>
<p>The few instances when this issue would be mentioned was the common saying kids at our HS had…grades, friends/family, or sleep…pick two. </p>
<p>Moreover, complaining about it was seldom done as it reflected negatively on the complainer…whether it’s perceived as “whining about something expected” or worse…a sign the complainer lacks the intellect/time management skills to complete their academic assignments in the most efficient manner.</p>
<p>This may be shocking, but I can only speak for the northeast, cheating is rampant in public and private schools. It’s disgusting. I am very blessed that my child does not cheat and never would. What’s the point? The child gets hurt, and when they get to college, they fail. I’d rather have a B student with character that is honest and upright. Shame on these parents who do the college apps, the college essays and pay $20 mil to get their kids in ivies. It’s not just the ivies, but all top tier schools. And if you are rich and famous, the top schools welcome you with open arms - they are what you call fame *#$#! I met a mother yesterday, and I almost fell on the floor when she said that the kids are even cheating in college! They email their parents for the answers or to write papers! What are these kids going to do in the real world? </p>
<p>Many pay drs to prescribe ADD meds beginning in jr yr (you can always tell because all the girls become anorexically thin). These drs in rich towns don’t care; they dole out the pills as do the kids who get them. And the heads of private schools? Ha! If you are rich and get drunk, and get your stomach pumped or are sexually promiscuous? As long as hedge fund daddy writes out the checks, the school closes their eyes, writes great rec letters and gets them into the top schools. It’s so disgraceful, and these school talk about “character and morals.” That begins at home and with the heads of these schools!</p>
<p>“I’d rather have a B student with character that is honest and upright.”</p>
<p>Amen. And I am glad my child has not chosen a college where he is likely to be around people who defend or engage in this type of “win at all costs” behavior. He would hate it.</p>
<p>I know how to prioritize time, I go to school from 7-3, then work from 4-1, then do the most important assignments for homework before I fall asleep. So I know even if or were 30 minutes per class I personally wouldn’t have the time to do my homework, but most kids don’t work 40 hour weeks and NO ONE has time for the homework. No one complains about staying up late, it’s expected. And very, very few people get the homework done without cheating. </p>
<p>And I’ve heard the same sentiments about college being significantly easier than highschool. There’s more time in the day and less busy work (yes I realize there’s still homework). I know I’m going to be fine in college.</p>
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<p>Some of my HS classmates worked at least 40 hours/week waiting tables at restaurants or doing other physically demanding jobs, loaded up on APs/courses at local 4-year universities like NYU, did ECs like math team/Westinghouse/debate team/research with local uni Profs, put up with commutes of up to 2.5 hours each way, and more. </p>
<p>Then again, the real top students at my HS tended to have such high intellects and excellent time management skills that homework which took an average kid at our HS 14+ hours/night could be done by them in half that time…or less. That’s the only way they were able to pull off working 40+ hours week and juggle everything else. Not surprisingly…when they ended up at undergrad…including HYPSMC/SWAR…it was much more manageable than HS. </p>
<p>It was also a reason any complaining about pulling long hours…especially to justify cheating tended to be met with the perception the complainer was a whiner and/or someone who doesn’t have the intellect/time management skills to deal. The latter was also a common perception of those who don’t turn in most/all of their homework because “it is too much”…especially among the “Top kids” who managed.</p>
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Exactly! I find it surprising that everyone is condemning the father’s lawsuit, yet when others on here have children who have broken the law, they are advised to lawyer-up. And, no, it’s not just for things like traffic tickets. It’s also been recommended for things like expulsions from school.</p>
<p>Can you imagine being the poor prof who actually gets this kid in his classes next year? My concern is that if Dad has absolutely no sense of what’s appropriate behavior in high school, then he will DEFINITELY be writing Junior’s essays in college and then contacting the “teacher” to explain why it should be allowed. Clearly he’s got some major boundary issues.</p>