How about those who reuse the same tests year after year, making it easy for those who find the old tests to cheat?
Thats at least better than the teachers who organize teams to alter their schools test scores.
Here’s a story that doesn’t focus only on high income people or elite school matriculants. At least I doubt that it does.
We knew a kid in DD’s HS who was not a cheater like writing answers on their hand, but who took credit for anyone’s good idea, who was just adored by staff which mystified friends. The kid was a modern day Eddie Haskell and was not seen through like Mrs Cleaver did with Eddie. Yup, awards like crazy (legit smart kid) and Ivy league school and a famous Wall Street firm job.
@LeastComplicated Re posts 33 and 40: Exact same situation in my house! We had many, many conversations about what constitutes “cheating”. One of her classes was DC A&P with an inexperienced teacher, assignments with questions and diagrams that were absolutely not in the book or lecture notes. I don’t think it’s wrong to access other online resources to learn the material. The other was with physics, where if she didn’t quite understand a concept, I felt it was ok to look for similar questions or tutorials. The goal always being to understand the material. In fact, she would rather get something wrong than feel she cheated.
When I commented earlier that her classmates got homework answers online, I mean they blatantly found the worksheet and copied down the answers, e.g., English and physics. The annoying thing was that most of them were competent enough to get A’s if they did the work, but they just “didn’t have time.” So, in answer to one of the questions here, I don’t think there will be any consequences for them in the future.
I just told my D about your post and I think she was relieved to know that other people struggled with this 
Sometimes they feel like they’re the only honest ones out there!
@karnmom Thanks for the comment! It IS good to know that others are having the same experiences and moral dilemmas! It really is a different world now with so many available shortcuts and temptations for students, especially since education is so competitive these days. Sounds like ours on on the right track though - doing their best to get through high school honestly and making the best of their education.
Our high school had 2 sections of AP physics. One of the students in the afternoon section, a top student in the grade, would regularly quiz the morning kids about the contents of tests. She would stay home if she thought she wasn’t prepared for a test. The teacher apparently had a pretty good idea what was going on - one day he told the students in the morning class to lie and tell the afternoon kids that there was a surprise test. Sure enough, this student went home “sick.” As far as I can tell, there were no consequences and she attended an Ivy.
This reminds me of a Two and a Half Men episode. Charlie tries to help Jake out by giving him the Cliff Notes, but Jake won’t read it because it’s too long. Charlie concludes his nephew is too lazy to cheat.
There are always consequences for the behavior described herein, even if you can’t see it yet. Landing the Ivy, the Wall Street job, the money, the promotions, while cutting corners and taking credit for others work, has its own moral toll. None of it buys happiness, fulfillment, love.
I had a teacher who laid a trap between the morning and afternoon sections of the same class. Knowing that there would be loose lips during lunch, he made different tests which included true/false questions that were all true in one version and all false in the other version. Some in the afternoon sections fell into the trap…
Surprising that your AP physics teacher did not simply make different tests.
I applaud any teacher who mixes things up so HS kids can’t do what they did in Post #65. It’s not that difficult.
Ha! I remember one of my kids and his friends creating a cheating sting operation in middle school. There was one kid who wanted to copy homework, know about tests, etc. The other students got fed up and gave the cheater fake information, kind of like you describe, telling him the answer was always false. If the kid had read the questions, he would have caught on, but no, he just wanted the answers. The cheater stopped asking for answers.
@vistajay:
That assumes that a person who serially cheats like that, cuts corners, takes credit for others work, ever paid any attention to their true feelings, and to be honest the people I have seen who do these things tend to be people who put so much store in ‘success’ they are pretty much incapable of experiencing real emotions like love and such, going after the gold ring and not caring how you get it means someone already is pretty much emotionally and spiritually vacant. Put it this way, take a look at the lives of people to whom money and success was their biggest thing, and you see a trail of destruction, many failed marriages, screwed up kids, few real friends, etc.
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You have pretty much given the textbook definition of a sociopath.