cheating on the SAT

<p>Okay. Honestly… that was a very stupid thing to do, but I don’t think it was as morally reprehensible as what in_denial did at all because it was altruistic. You cheated… but not for yourself… you took a big risk for someone else. That balances it out karmically, I think.</p>

<p>And who can actually honestly say that they did everything in high school because they were genuinely interested? Maybe the same kind of person who is genuinely kind enough to risk taking the SAT for someone else…</p>

<p>I think the fallacy in the comments of some trying to brush this off as ‘no big deal’ is the false assumption that this was a victim-less offense. </p>

<p>Someone runs a little scam to get someone else a higher SAT score and nobody gets hurt right? Wrong. </p>

<p>The victims here are everyone else who takes the SAT. </p>

<p>This was most certainly not “altrusitic.” The fraudster may have been trying to “help” one person but in the process they scammed out and hurt everyone else.</p>

<p>I’m glad the administrators seem to be sticking up for the more honest students at the school by saying they will pass this info onto colleges… as they certainly should.</p>

<p>I know. But it’s not as selfish and nasty as cheating for yourself by a long shot, under my values system at least ^^</p>

<p>I know they hurt everyone else, but if the net hurt on everyone else is the same as the help for the friend, then it’s 1/what? 2 million? It didn’t hurt any specific person, so it’s hard to feel as indignant about it.</p>

<p>I do know that it’s wrong tho and that it needs to be cracked down upon to keep the system accurate.</p>

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<p>I certainly don’t understand the logic behind your “values system.”</p>

<p>Person A develops a scam whereby they secretly steal $1 out of 1 million people’s bank accounts. Person B steals $1,000,000 out of 1 person’s bank account. By your logic person A is “less guilty” because the “net hurt” on each person is so low that it has no impact upon them whatsoever. That makes no sense whatsoever. I, and I think most people, would say that they’re both equally guilty. Fraud is a zero sum game… someone wins but others have to lose in the process. </p>

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Well now it hasn’t because they got caught and are being held to account. However, had the fraud gone undetected then it’s very possible that a “specific person” would have been directly hurt by, for example, being turned down for a place at a particular college because the higher, fraudulent, score gave the perpetrator better stats.</p>

<p>major_regret: You live in California and you think you’re totally screwed? None of the UCs require letters of recommendation, and with your stats I’d be very surprised if you got rejected from any of them. Definitely go for one of the top-tier UCs, they’re elite schools (not to mention affordable) and you can’t really go wrong with them.</p>

<p>This is so very Gossip Girl.</p>

<p>But I sympathize with your situation. And those of your who are lecturing the OP, lay off. (S)he obviously understands the implications of his/her actions, and with all the crap (s)he’s probably dealing with at school and home, the least (s)he deserves is a little un-patronizing aid.</p>

<p>All I have to say is keep your head up and write one hell of an essay. You can still turn this thing around.</p>

<p>ah dude do u know who ratted u out…i’d kill whoever it was lol…</p>

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<p>Give me a break and cut the moral pretentious crap. If anybody feels even remotely indignant that one kid out of how ever many million high school students there are, who probably won’t even be applying to the same schools as they are, had a moderately higher SAT score, then they need to do a serious reevaluation of their life.</p>

<p>I hope you don’t eat any meat products, cause I know a handful of villages in Africa that are “victimized and scammed” by your horrific crimes of eating food that honest, starving people could have had.</p>

<p>skatj,</p>

<p>So you’d be perfectly content then if you got rejected from a college because the person that was admitted over you had a higher (fraudulent) SAT score? Somehow I doubt you’d think that was ‘no big deal.’</p>

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<p>Meh. If they didn’t pass it on to the other girl’s colleges (post #25), then passing it on this time seems a tad spiteful.</p>

<p>funny thing…i went to take AP english lang today. i didn’t get to study and i kind of overslept so i was a few minutes late. well, they realize that there isn’t enough test booklets so the testing administrator (scary…since i dealt with her for the SAT incident) feels really bad and tells me i have to make it up next week. i’m totally fine with it since i’m half asleep, completely disheveled, and haven’t studied or anything.
well, as i’m WALKING OUT THE DOOR, they find the last test booklet. so i have to take my test but everyone has already opened the shrink wrap and is starting the MC. so…i get less time than everyone else. karma is a ***** i guess haha. i deserve it. i was late.</p>

<p>anyway, it’s not necessarily a DREAM of mine to attend ivy league, but i hate it when people don’t do their full potential, including myself. i set high standards and i’m my own worst critic. (except possibly Oaksmom and rocketman haha :-/) because i was honest about the situation and am trying to grow and learn from the incident, the NHS advisor (i got kicked out of NHS, expected though) told me that the administration has implied i will get a newer start next year, my senior year. i don’t think it applies to my counselor letter of recommendation though. i don’t understand why she would want to expose this though since it just makes the whole school look bad, which is another concern of mine. i’m really worried that i ruined or dampened the chances of other kids from my school to get accepted into top tier schools that find out what i did.</p>

<p>! prep: i just think it’s unfair that it is included in my letter of rec because the other girl got of basically scotch free. she didn’t have much to lose anyway but i definitely “lost” a hell of a lot more than she did. it wasn’t included in her letter of rec and she didn’t even get kicked out of NHS since she was already inducted as a junior (it’s only for 11th and 12th grade). </p>

<p>i come from a fairly competitive class of students so yeah…taking community college for a year will definitely hurt my ego…gotta pay though i guess.</p>

<p>taggart: i went to an ivy college night thing on sunday night and…i am SO down for U Penn!! :-/</p>

<p>since it’s going in my letter of rec…my best option is to use my essay and interview and possibly provide another letter of rec to try and explain myself. i don’t know what approach to take though…</p>

<p>Sungchul: haha yeah. i’m leaning more on at least TRYING to apply because i know i’ll probably kill myself if i’ll wonder for the rest of my life “what if…”. i’m hoping people will see it as “wow…bold…she learned her lesson”. and i’m not excited, but i think i’m ready for major ego burns when april rolls around next year…</p>

<p>rocketman08: yes. i’m aware i committed a crime. i respect your opinion that you believe i should basically burn in hell (haha). no umm…honestly, i know it’s not an excuse but i definitely was not aware of how people worked for this when i took the test. it was before the whole college frenzy started for me and my peers. i think i’ve been doing well regaining back trust and respect. i know i’m trying to find the easy way out but it’s human nature…i’m sorry if it is selfish of me to not want to deter my life path for the next few years…especially since those are crucial years that are supposed to be the prime time of your life. and i guess i messed up because my ‘values system’ is unlike yours. i’m not going to lie…i knew what i was doing was wrong but i was persuaded to do it through manipulation of my sympathetic nature. and at the time, in my book, i figured it was okay, well, not okay, but better. i did not get paid. i know it’s unbelievable, no one believes me. but if i did get paid…i don’t know where the money has been… anyone who knows me knows that i am around to help anyone as much as possible, i want good people to do well. </p>

<p>oh btw, this isn’t going on a criminal record or anything…i don’t know how school records work but i don’t know where this incident is under on my record, if at all.</p>

<p>vasudevank: we did go far, far away. someone told on us.</p>

<p>Keshira; i really appreciate your post. it’s a nice change from everyone else who thinks i’m the most immoral person on the face of the earth. you’re one of the few who understand that i wasn’t motivated by money and such, i WAS manipulated. even the administration believes so. however, i am taking responsibility for my actions. whatever motives it was for…i accept that i did something terrible and there needs to be some sort of consequence, and yes, i’m frantically praying that the consequence is light but it doesn’t seem like it will be. and haha yeah, i did everything in high school because i was geniunely interested (with the exception of CSF and algebra 2 honors). i know it sounds pretentious or like i’m lying but i’m serious… i love what i’m involved in and the classes i take are extremely interesting and have influenced what i want to do for the rest of my life, if i can get there.</p>

<p>z7xfla: right now, i am looking into UC berkely. i always loved the school and atmosphere so i won’t be terribly unhappy there. i guess i just wanted something more intimate, further way, and more selective (?).</p>

<p>-Serendipity- : yeah, i’ve been trying to move on with my life but i love gossip girls and i was watching that episode…and surprise! i was in for a slap in the face again. i’m considering the essay suggestion but…well, i’ve always had a hard time writing personal essays so i was worried about my college essays even before this entire incident…trying to incorporate this in will be hell. i have a hard time letting people see what i’m really thinking and how i’m really feeling…it puts me in a vulnerable spot and i know it doesn’t seem this way with how i was persuaded to take the SAT, but i consider myself a strong person (except being too compassionate and emotionally invested (?)) and i hate putting myself in a position where i can get hurt or be judged. i guess that’s why i posted this thread anonymously, 7 months after the incident…in_denial…kind of inspired me.</p>

<p>laserbase: i wish i knew, but i’m kind of glad i don’t…i might want to too haha. i’m kidding. i’m a total human rights activist, i wouldn’t kill them. i would just wonder why they hated me so much, even if they did it because they don’t like the other girl (i later found out she isn’t very popular because of her self-pity and gossipy nature). </p>

<p>skatj: i agree. i do apologize for what i did because it was egrigeous. however, there are hundreds of others who have cheated and have not been caught. so, it would be nice not to have the frustration for all those people’s actions dumped on me. btw, she was NOT applying to a top tier university, just one i think and honestly, even the SAT score wouldn’t have made up for her other stats…so she was not any competition for anyone on CC.</p>

<p>the other girl was not really penalized. any respect she lost…was already lost before the incident i’ve heard. </p>

<p>also, there was one thing i was frustrated about with the entire situation. when i was called up to the office, i was told by an ETS representative and the head testing coordinator at my school that it’s good i didn’t cheat on an AP. APs = money since they can give students credit for college. they claimed my situation would have been sooo much worse if i had. the odd thing is, last year, a kid in my grade was caught looking at his neighbor’s test in an AP exam last year. my school said they would cancel his score, but didn’t and since he had only finished the MC, he recieved a 2. however, he didn’t recieve any consequences and as far as i’m concerned, my school will not report his incident when he applies. thus, i don’t understand why i’m penalized so heavily compared to him if AP cheating is considered worse (according to ETS as well). i guess it has to do with the fact that ETS/CB alreadys knows about my incident whereas his was never reported…?</p>

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<p>Um, you have it backwards. It would make your school look bad if they DIDN’T report the incident. A college would be concerned if it knew that a school wasn’t taking responsibility and reporting such incidents when they occur… not the other way around. The school is just covering itself for the sake of the other students. This way the consequences for your actions are focused on you, not the whole school. </p>

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<p>Of course it doesn’t exactly make your school look great but again it would be far worse if they didn’t reveal this information about you and then the college found out later.</p>

<p>I agree it’s bad that the person you took the test for isn’t getting punished to the same degree… but that doesn’t mean you should get let off the hook. </p>

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<p>The common application used by most of the top private schools (including U Penn) includes the following question (similar questions are asked on most other college applications too either to you directly or privately to your school when they ask for transcripts):</p>

<p>“Have you ever been found responsible for a disciplinary violation at an educational institution you have attended from 9th grade (or the international equivalent) forward, whether related to academic misconduct or behavioral misconduct, that resulted in your probation, suspension, removal, dismissal, or expulsion from the institution?”</p>

<p>So you’d have to answer yes to that and then provide the relevant details in the supplemental information with the application.</p>

<p>sorry if this has been asked before…</p>

<p>did you get paid to take the test for someone else?</p>

<p>Major_Regret: I’m somewhat discomforted by the fact that you don’t seem really sorry about this incident – more embarrassed and ashamed at being caught, but I don’t know if you understand the meaning of what you did. I think that’s why you’re having difficulty imagining how you’ll address this in an essay.</p>

<p>If you truly felt remorseful, you could write a very powerful essay about this.</p>

<p>Consider talking to a psychologist. I think it would help you understand why this event is so significant.</p>

<p>I anticipate I’ve offended you, but I do believe what I’m saying.</p>

<p>Didn’t you read the monster post? :slight_smile: No, she didn’t get paid. She felt sympathetic for the other girl, that’s all. </p>

<p>Anyway, I’m sorry that the other girl wasn’t punished equally. I mean I can understand letting the cheater and the enabler both be punished, or only the cheater, but only the enabler? Strange, and quite unfair- I would’ve protested if I were you but then I’m not you, I’m probably less sympathetic and kind than you and wouldn’t have helped her in the first place :stuck_out_tongue: </p>

<p>I hope you bounce back and UPenn won’t hold this against you. You seem genuinely motivated to learn and that’s something rare these days, and after all I don’t think you would cheat for yourself. So if you can let that nature shine through in your explanation/essays as well, you do stand a chance. Just be upfront and honest about it, say you’re sorry, that you weren’t paid to do it and that you regret it.</p>

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<p>Okay, I could’ve phrased that better. Yes, I would say that what person A did was less morally reprehensible, because those 1 million people would each not be hurt significantly. Whereas that $1 million from 1 person may be her life savings and cause her to spend her old age in poverty, causing her significant hardship. Do you see where I’m coming from? </p>

<p>Of course, I would agree that both person A and person B would be punished equally under the law if caught, and that is right and fair. Values don’t always follow the same, rigidly “rational” basis that the law is meant to follow.</p>

<p>Cheating is Cheating no matter what justification you use</p>

<p>Yeah, way to resurrect a dead thread.</p>

<p>wow from like two months ago, way to go :D</p>

<p>Meh, I had a good read.</p>