<p>You’ve got to love this. Wilson goes to Africa, and gets the right answer - without even seeing the obviously phony paperwork. But his work is “shoddy” - not the work of Rice, Rove, Cheney, et al. who fell for a blatantly bogus story, but Wilson’s.</p>
<p>You’ve got to love the right wing’s completely tone deaf and uncompromising willingness to say virtually anything to smear those who commit the worst possible offense - exposing the incompetence and arrogance of the Bush administration.</p>
Yeah, I guess you could sort of say that. After all he did come back and give more credance to the fact that Iraq may have been pursuing yellow cake from Niger. And, yeah, the Butler report confirmed that this was a valid assertion. So, you are factually correct in saying this.</p>
<p>However, where Wilson left the ranch of reality and truthfulness was when he tried to assert that he was some kind of whistle blower by claiming to report things that he never did. The left is not just tone deaf on this, they are deaf, dumb and blind (with “dumb” taking on both meanings) Why is it that they continually ignore the various reports that have looked into the Wilson/Niger situation and continue to make wildly political and blatantly false statements about “Bush lied”. The facts just don’t back that up, but I guess facts are irrelevant.</p>
<p>That’s the point…if in trouble point the finger saying “it’s his fault”.
The fact that Rove leaked the name of a covert CIA agent is against the law. IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT THE HUSBAND OF THE CIA AGENT DID. I can hear the conservaties saying…It’s wilson fault we leaked. No…it’s Roves fault. He did something illegal, he ran a smear campaign…AND GOT CAUGHT. Any poor person caught stealing because they were starving…would be in jail. There are no excuses for breaking the law and Bush said anyone caught doing it would be fired. Bye Bye Rove. BTW…not mentioning her name still outs her and anyone would be able to figure out who Wilson’s wife was.
More smear and whining and finger pointing from the Republicans to follow…</p>
You and your liberal sources are convinced of this, but even the mainstream media is not certain that any laws were broken. Let’s let the prosecutor do his job.
giving out correct information to refute a smear campaign is not a smear campaign.
Really? Then I imagine that Martha Stewart and Lil’ Kim are wondering why Bill Clinton is not in jail for committing the same crime that they did and were sentenced to time in the big house for.</p>
<p>Secondly, as most prudent people would say, there is no proof yet that Rove committed a crime as much as you and the far left may hope and pray that he did. Perhaps something will come up, but so far it doesn’t look like it. Rove certainly doesn’t think he has anything to worry about since he signed a waiver of confidentiality a long time ago.</p>
<p>I’m not letting you conservatives get away with sweeping statements that aren’t true. Outing a CIA covert agent is not perjury…it is a crime of national security. You can get many agents killed if outed and if other agents have any known connections to the outed agent they are in trouble while in the field. A dangerous game.
Martha Stewart used inside information to make money or not lose money on the stock market. others may lose money when people do that. It is actually a crime against all investors and in the long run is like stealing. Not so trivial to know or care much about lil Kim.
But Bill Clinton on lying about something private that hurts no one and SHOULD NOT HAVE EVEN BEEN ASKED is his very very very private business, especially if consensual. Many presidents have been caught, or should have been, with their proverbial pants down. If the best smear you have against Bill…a mighty fine president compared to Turd Blossom’s boss you really have nothing much to say. Do us a favor…don’t point to others faults to justify not going after Turd Blossom outing a CIA agent…which a very dangerous move. Aren’t they supposed to be the specialists in national security??? While outing CIA agents you end up with NO information. Not very good to protect us and give us important info only found out by CIA covert agents. Good job Rove.</p>
<p>Really? Then I imagine that Martha Stewart and Lil’ Kim are wondering why Bill Clinton is not in jail for committing the same crime that they did and were sentenced to time in the big house for.</p>
<p>Not the same crime and you seem to be saying that Rove simply committed perjury (as you imply did everyone else you mentioned, otherwise why would you bring any of them up???). For perhaps the first time ever, Rove didn’t lie in this case… Far from it…he told a big truth when, for national security issues, he needed to keep his mouth shut. You need to keep your crimes straight…</p>
<p>Remember lauras50, if someone can’t defend a position, they bring in other issues to deflect…you are witnessing it first hand!!! Good for calling it…</p>
<p>It is interesting that Rove said he had NOTHING at all to do with it, yet, gee, he did…</p>
<p>And as far as national security is concerned, I will repeat - NOTHING has been proven that would indicate that any laws were broken or that national security was put at risk. In fact, quite the contrary appears to be the case at this point. However, I guess the Democratic rule of law is if you are a Republican you are guilty until proven innocent - just like Howard Dean condemning Tom Delay to jail - even though he hasn’t even been charged with a crime.</p>
<p>Oh one more thing. “even the mainstream media is not sure”.
Okay, which mainstream media, Fox?? Time mag which capitulated or one of the other ones backed by large mega companies. They are all afraid of their own shadows. Where were they when they should have been investigating the march toward war? Most are the puppets for the admin. Do you think an reporter will get any real info and know they can go to jail. No more deep throats.
Oh?? Rove again, pulling the strings on what they can say and can’t say and what they will get in trouble saying later. I do agree we need to see what the investigation brings, but don’t expect much from the media, nor that the truth will ever come out. By the time the “truth” arrives the Republicans will have made every single person involved look like it was their fault and Rove will get away looking like a hero to the right.
BTW…Sweeping statements were all over the “media” today…Everyone gleefully gave tons of air time to the republican slime machines…There’s the media…doing it’s new job!</p>
<p>Nothing been proved?.. Excuse me: The emails were very precise…Double secret… and then mentioning Wilson’s wife…etc. How many Wilson’s wives are there??? How many are in the CIA. That is the smoking gun…and it could have killed…FOR REAL.</p>
<p>So its okay to out a CIA operative, and thus open up her contacts to danger, that is okay? Would you want to work for a government that thinks its okay to out ANY CIA operative?</p>
<p>And it’s ok to tell a reporter (Chris Matthews) that Wilson’s wife is
“fair game.” What a great American. Right hand man to the President.</p>
<p>Thankfully, there are many Republicans who are very disappointed and distressed that Rove, with his top secruity clearance,would discuss a CIA agent with a reporter - for any reason, much less for political reasons. (George Bush senior actually wrote Wilson a sympathetic letter, and Gellespie has implied that Rove’s actions were inexscusable…fair game??")
Even if it turns out that the prosecutor cannot indict because they can’t prove what he did or did not know, his loose lips are not what we need in a white house chief of staff. Bush senior fired rove for being a leaker. His son should do the same.</p>
<p>Before you convict Rove of a crime you have to establish that a crime has actually been committed. We are not even at that point yet and I doubt we will ever get there.</p>
<p>Should Bush fire Rove? I don’t know but he should certainly fire Plame for nepotism.</p>
<p>So we shouldn’t form a judgement about Rove until the investigation is complete, but it is fine to judge Plame without hearing all the evidence. OK…</p>