Claim Karl Rove was leak in CIA outing

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<p>Bush hasn’t even asked Rove what went on…I find that telling</p>

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<p>Carolyn, no irony…we all reacted differently to 9/11. Lefties want more info and intelligience so we can go after the real culprits and the righties decided to invade iraq and go after Saddam. I say protect the cia agents we need the info. AND the righties decided to fire everyone who knew arabic. I would stick with the left, thank you.</p>

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<p>“I think it’s more accurate to say Wilson was Kristof’s source. This doesn’t qualify as a leak.”</p>

<p>Careful, that’s a dangerous precedent to set in matter like this. Bernstein and Woodruff were on The Daily Show last night and said pretty much the same thing about Rove and every other source in DC. They’re sources, not leaks.</p>

<p>Oh, and apparently protecting the CIA is only a liberal cause when it’s to a liberal’s advantage. Remember this CIA Identity law was written with the expectation that liberals would break it (liberals being the ones who watered it down so in self defense). ;)</p>

<p>BTW, here’s a very different liberal view of Judy Miller:</p>

<p><a href=“http://nyobserver.com/opinions_conason.asp[/url]”>http://nyobserver.com/opinions_conason.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>“Executive privilege doesn’t attach to conversations with the press.” </p>

<p>You’ll play hell getting any President to testify under oath for much worse than this. Remember what it took to get Clinton in the witness stand.</p>

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<p>Strict11 the view you site of Miller is not a ‘very different liberal view’ unless your a righty not paying attention. Progressive democrats see her as covering for the White House. She, and her relationship to Chalabi, and her constant ranting and threats to troops in the 75th in Iraq of going to her contacts in the Bush white house if she didn’t get what she wanted were legend in Iraq. They hated her. She pushed the right wing agenda in her stories in the run up to war and NYTimes has since apologized publicly for failing to question her work more.</p>

<p>You confuse some papers editorializing of the sheild(editorials like the SFChronicle put out) the press wants to maintain with the real issues democrats have with Miller. She is a WH stoog, complicit in covering for a law breaker and pushing the WMD falsehoods for Chalabi and others eager to get to war/ It isn’t the dems(other than some newspapers ) who missed the point here. The dems fully see how she is either protecting herself and using the press outrage over imprisonment of a reporter, or protecting a law breaker and still using press outrage. She knows something(Libby,Cheney, Who?).</p>

<p>It is possibly Bush who will pay with his political futre and historical record for continually moving the goal posts. He protects law breakers at his own peril. He will eventually be held accountable. When? With an approval rating of 43% that dropped one point in only a week this month alone, he is paying a price to continue the subterfuge. The American public is turning on him. Good.</p>

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<p>What it took to get Clinton to the witness stand was an oddly out-of-tocuh Supreme Court decision holding that testifying in a civil matter unrelated to the presidency wouldn’t prove to be much of a distraction from the duties of office.</p>

<p>Ensuing events made a mockery of that prediction. </p>

<p>One of the things I like about Roberts is that he’s actually worked as a lawyer recently (which would make him unique on this court).</p>

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<p>Reading material on Judith Miiller:
New York Times apologizes for Judith Miller’s work … without naming her</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.unknownnews.net/040528miller.html[/url]”>http://www.unknownnews.net/040528miller.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Miller’s Latest Tale Questioned</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_di[/url]”>http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_di&lt;/a&gt;...&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Greg Thielmann Interview:</p>

<p>In this interview, Greg Thielmann, a former director of the Strategic, Proliferation and Military Affairs Office at the State Department’s Intelligence Bureau, accuses the White House of “systematic, across-the-board exaggeration” of intelligence as it made its case that Saddam Hussein posed an imminent threat to the U.S. Thielmann, who left his job in September 2002, also contends that much of the intelligence about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction was entirely politicized. “Senior officials made statements which I can only describe as dishonest,” he says. “They were distorting some of the information that we provided to make it seem more alarmist and more dangerous.” This interview was conducted on August 12, 2003.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/truth/int[/url]”>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/truth/int&lt;/a&gt;...&lt;/p&gt;

<p>What about Karen Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. USAF (ret.), how come Judith Miller did not ask her if the information Chalabi was giving her was true.</p>

<p>Read this:</p>

<p>In Rumsfeld’s Shop</p>

<p>A senior Air Force officer watches as the neocons consolidate their Pentagon coup.</p>

<p>Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski recently retired from the U.S. Air Force. Her final posting was as an analyst at the Pentagon. Below is the first of three installments describing her experience there. They provide a unique view of the Department of Defense during a period of intense ideological upheaval, as the United States prepared to launch—for the first time in its history—a “preventive” war.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.militaryweek.com/kk120103.shtml[/url]”>http://www.militaryweek.com/kk120103.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>How The Tale Unfolds
A chronological look at the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1083895[/url]”>http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1083895&lt;/a&gt;,...&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Why the Media Owe You an Apology on Iraq</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0328-08.htm[/url]”>http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0328-08.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>The Times and Iraq</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/9/[/url]”>http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/9/&lt;/a&gt;...&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Yellowcake forgery</p>

<p><a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowcake_Forgery[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowcake_Forgery&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Butler Review</p>

<p><a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butler_Review[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butler_Review&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Dodgy Dossier</p>

<p><a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodgey_Dossier[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodgey_Dossier&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Joseph C. Wilson on Niger and Iraq</p>

<p><a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Wilson[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Wilson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Mr. Rove and the Access of Evil</p>

<p>by Greg Palast</p>

<p>The only thing more evil, small-minded and treacherous than the Bush Administration’s jailing Judith Miller for a crime the Bush Administration committed, is Judith Miller covering up her Bush Administration “source.”</p>

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<p>Why didn’t The Times run this story? Why not now? Who are they covering for and why?</p>

<p>Full Story:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0713-23.htm[/url]”>http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0713-23.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>OMG!!! The Times is in kahoots with Rove. Incredible, OMG, OMG!!</p>

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<p>Rove is an advisor to the president and and the matter concerns classified information. President invokes executive privilege and says propsecutor/police cannot question him about the Plame matter, Wilson, Niger, yellowcake and you can go fight it out in court for the next four years. End of story. It was what the Clintons used to quash and delay and obstruct every investigation. It is a proven technique and the wrote the book on it.</p>

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<p>“The only thing more evil, small-minded and treacherous than the Bush Administration’s jailing Judith Miller for a crime the Bush Administration committed”</p>

<p>Er, point of order, the special prosecutor put her in jail. He’s independent, remember?</p>

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<p>This is a letter sent to member of the Senate and house; here is the link:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.davidcorn.com/2005/07/former_intellig.php[/url]”>http://www.davidcorn.com/2005/07/former_intellig.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>The authors of the letter were on the radio yesterday.</p>

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<p>“He’s independent, remember?”</p>

<p>Yes he is looking better to me everyday, not in the inner circle.
She would not be there, costing taxpayers $$$$, if the coward in the WH had a moral compass. But as the mother of a dead American soldiier said after meeting Bush in the WH, his eyes are souless, he is empty of any ability to show care and compassion to a grieving mother. She has made it her single mission to get * out of office and is doing so now.</p>

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<p>This is an article regarding the memo passed around on Airforce One and sent to Colin Powell- just an update</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/20/AR2005072002517_pf.html[/url]”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/20/AR2005072002517_pf.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>CGM, Great job!!!</p>

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<p>The noose seems to be tightening.</p>

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<p>Interesting report, though one among many about the memo. I see that there were only two lines that mention Plame and they manage to get in that she’s married to Wilson (it calls her Valerie Wilson, btw), she works for the agency (didn’t mention her status), that she recommended her husband for the trip and that no one was to reveal her identity. Wait, I bet it didn’t say that last part. Only that the memo was secret. Was that because of her identity which was incidental or the other contents of the memo. Guess that’s not important.</p>

<p>So Rove testified he had never read nor heard of the memo. Not surprising since he wasn’t on that trip. Not a problem. All you have to do is get someone to spontaenously confess they read it to him over the phone and that they stressed it was marked secret (since he didn’t see it for himself, of course).</p>

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<p>“So Rove testified he had never read nor heard of the memo. Not surprising since he wasn’t on that trip.”</p>

<p>Honestly Strict11, by this comment one might think AF1(the brand new one now in use) was as technically outfitted as a an old selectric type writer. Who was on that trip? What day did Rove talk to Cooper? Look further Strict11.</p>

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<p>Anybody still have a sense of humor?
<a href=“http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/07/20/opinion/edkiellor.php[/url]”>http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/07/20/opinion/edkiellor.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Um, its pretty clear that the memo and its contents were secret…</p>

<p>So, Plame’s contacts, all the people she worked with, the company, her sources, they are all outed now too…</p>

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<p><a href=“http://mediamatters.org/items/200507200002[/url]”>http://mediamatters.org/items/200507200002&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>“Honestly Strict11, by this comment one might think AF1(the brand new one now in use) was as technically outfitted as a an old selectric type writer.”</p>

<p>Then the communications records will show that someone who had access to the memo spoke to or communicates with Rove. They won’t say what was discussed, of course, so the evidence stops there. You’ll have to imagine that for yourself. That should be enough to convict anyone.</p>