Claim Karl Rove was leak in CIA outing

<p>MR. RUSSERT: Now, Ambassador Joe Wilson, a year before that, was sent over by the CIA because you raised the question about uranium from Africa. He says he came back from Niger and said that, in fact, he could not find any documentation that, in fact, Niger had sent uranium to Iraq or engaged in that activity and reported it back to the proper channels. Were you briefed on his findings in February, March of 2002?</p>

<p>VICE PRES. CHENEY: No. I don’t know Joe Wilson. I’ve never met Joe Wilson. A question had arisen. I’d heard a report that the Iraqis had been trying to acquire uranium in Africa, Niger in particular. I get a daily brief on my own each day before I meet with the president to go through the intel. And I ask lots of question. One of the questions I asked at that particular time about this, I said, “What do we know about this?” They take the question. He came back within a day or two and said, “This is all we know. There’s a lot we don’t know,” end of statement. And Joe Wilson—I don’t who sent Joe Wilson. He never submitted a report that I ever saw when he came back.</p>

<p>Looking at the transcript, his “no” seems to a denial that he was briefed on Wilson’s findings, but the rest of the statement looks like a circumlocution to me.</p>

<p>Still (after 480 posts) have no idea why we are talking about Joe Wilson. The issue is an agent who devoted years of her life to her nation’s security, outed for political ends, and a political hitman who either informed the President of his now-documented actions, or who deliberately kept them from him.</p>

<p>OK, Strick, we send a former ambassador to Niger, he returns with a report which the Ambassador to Niger, Wilson and I all seem to think means that the claim that Iraq was buying uranium from that country is bunk, for very simple and clear reasons. Now for some reason we’re told that that that report was “spiked”. Why? By whom? Were Wilson’s comments about the number of people who would have to be involved in such a transaction wrong? Were his observations about the control of the yellowcake mining process by European cartels and the contractual obligations for all of the output irrelevant? His observations (for all of the personal attacks you and others send his way) were dead on accurate. If the Vice-president actually wanted to get information about a claim that Iraq was in the process of buying hundreds of tons of uranium ore from Niger, I’d think that those would be exactly the kind of data he’d want to get. If I’m a speechwriter or anyone else invovled in the drafting of the State of the Union speech I’d sure as heck want to know those facts. And yet we’re told that Wilson’s report never made its way to Cheney, or anyone else in any position of real power. </p>

<p>I repeat: why?</p>

<p>Yes…oral briefings to whom? Who wanted his input? Who sent him on this “mission?” Not Cheney. It’s going to get interesting, but not in the way some of you folks think. My two cents. And who is it that says these reports were “spiked?”</p>

<p>Then several people are lying for Cheney including George Tenet.</p>

<p>Cheney never says anything as straight forward as “I wasn’t briefed on the trip”.</p>

<p>*Before I left Niger, I briefed the ambassador on my findings, which were consistent with her own. I also shared my conclusions with members of her staff. In early March, I arrived in Washington and promptly provided a detailed briefing to the C.I.A. I later shared my conclusions with the State Department African Affairs Bureau. There was nothing secret or earth-shattering in my report, just as there was nothing secret about my trip. *</p>

<p>Only debriefed once by the CIA. The other two briefings were to the Statement Department which is irrelevant.</p>

<p>I seem to remember Cheney saying he’d never met John Edwards. I’m not even his age, but I understand that. Neither of us knows what Cheney was briefed on, and you’re basing your opinion on a thin, thin thread.</p>

<p>mini, I’m sorry, I don’t really get that excited by the left’s indignation that a CIA agent was outted (not that I believe she was by Rove, or that she was covert by any reasonable definition).</p>

<p>Here’s what the very people who are most incensed by Plame’s treatment were saying about the Intelligence Identity Act when it was being debated years ago. </p>

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<p>Strick,</p>

<p>I concur with your history of the history of Section 728. Section 793(d), which I’ve quoted elsewhere, also has a history that’s considerably troubling to civil libertarians such as myself.</p>

<p>But let’s not kid ourselves: the administration’s immediate response to Wilson was to try to discredit him in any way possible, fair or unfair. That’s what they do to people who challenge them.</p>

<p>Here’s what Novak reportedly said to a stranger on a Washington street who turned out to be a friend of Wilson’s, two days after Wilson’s op-ed piece was published:</p>

<p>“Wilson’s an a******. The CIA sent him. His wife, Valerie, works for the CIA. She’s a weapons of mass destruction specialist. She sent him.” </p>

<p>Regardless of whether a crime was committed, the administration’s initial response to Wilson, and their subsequent lies and circumlocutions (I’m talking specifically about Rove’s here) make for an ugly story.</p>

<p>I think Bush should fire Rove and Libby, and then pardon them, apologize to the American people, and move on. (I think Rove and Libby have behaved in a sleazy fashion, but five or ten years in prison under these circumstances would be way out of proportion to what’s alleged.)</p>

<p>But let’s not kid ourselves: the administration’s immediate response to Wilson was to try to discredit him in any way possible, fair or unfair. That’s what they do to people who challenge them.</p>

<p>OK. But you can’t prove that from what Rove is supposed to have told Novak or Cooper. He only spoke to a fact that seemed relevant to whether or not Wilson was being truthful. Other than speaking to Plames role in the Niger trip (exaggerated or did he hear a garbled version?), what do you base your claim on?</p>

<p>A pardon. Oh, yeah, that would still the waters on this.</p>

<p>BTW, have you seen what’s going around the liberal blogs? They’re claiming Judge Roberts is gay because he attended an all male high school (playing Pepperment Patty in the muscial) and wore plaid pants in the 70s. Did you have a pair of plaid pants in the 70s? I did.</p>

<p>If I confirm that I had a pair of plaid pants in the seventies, you won’t tell Karl Rove, will you? I’ve seen what he does with that kind of information.</p>

<p>The more I read about Roberts, the more I like him. I hate to think who might get nominated in his place if they Bork him.</p>

<p>If I confirm that I had a pair of plaid pants in the seventies, you won’t tell Karl Rove, will you? I’ve seen what he does with that kind of information.</p>

<p>Only if you accept that he’s not the only one. Quite clearly he’s not the only one as this proves.</p>

<p>OK, Rove’s not the only one.</p>

<p>And I did have a pair plaid pants in the seventies. Not that there’s anything “wrong” with that.</p>

<p>What is very apparent is that if you disagree with the Administrations agenda, you are smeared in one way or another…and it happens again and again</p>

<p>And, I guess I will never get an answer, nice dodge, typical</p>

<p>You’ve had an answer, citygirlsmom, just read the posts again.</p>

<p>If you think the comments against Plame are smears, you don’t remember the last administration. They knew how to smear. </p>

<p>I still haven’t heard anything against Plame other than she used her contacts to get her husband the trip. Give me some dirt, not that non-story.</p>

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Care to provide a cite as to the IAEA disproving the Butler report? I’m aware that they debunked the forged document issue, but that’s very old news that has been accepted by both sides for several years. Unfortunately, it still seems to be the crux of the “Bush lied” canard. </p>

<p>Why do you guys get all huffy and demand special investigations if you know that you will ignore them if they don’t provide the answers that you want? As CGM would say, is that ethical?</p>

<p>CGM, you asked if the Bush administration made any mistakes in our eyes. One very big mistake was the premature admission that the 16 words in the SoU address were wrong. They got too easily spooked by the fact that the documents were forged and assumed that this was the basis for the British intelligence. Had they checked further (and even queried the original Wilson report to the CIA), they would have concluded that there indeed was evidence of Iraq attempting to buy uranium.</p>

<p>Had they not gone soft on this issue, they would have avoided spilling blood into the water for you sharks to sense. This started the feeding frenzy of false allegations about “Bush lied, people died”.</p>

<p>However, this event does put to rest the notion that we hear so often that “if a politician just comes clean and admits a mistake that the public will accept it and move on.” </p>

<p>Hogwash. Here we have a case were a mistake that really wasn’t a mistake was admitted and it only served to fuel the fires. The reality of the situation is that mea culpas only work when you are dealing with fair and open minded people. That’s certainly not the case here.</p>

<p>OK, time for a little levity. As one who seems to always have about 5 different kinds of electronic messaging things going on in the background, I thought the second part of this was particularly good.</p>

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<p>I was wrong when I admitted I was wrong</p>

<p>What a weeny answer and you know it</p>

<p>Certain posters never ever ever see that anything this Admin has done could POSSIBLE be wrong, such as Abu Gharib and its handling…lets coverup the torture of women and children…and yes there are videos and pictures</p>

<p>And yes, even Republicans are disgusted by what went on there, and yet the people in charge were promoted…and I guess the video and pictures of aren’t enough for our government to really do something about it, that I call a mistake</p>

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<p>So, exactly what DID the administration do regarding Abu Gharib that offends you? You mean the investigation and subsequent charges brought against the guilty parties that was conducted even before any publicity was brought to it? </p>

<p>Cover up of the rape of children? Please provide a link that proves this.</p>

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<p>Beg pardon? I thought I said I know several cases where this Administration was wrong, I just don’t have to waste my time pointing it out with folks like you around. :D</p>

<p>Not making Miguel Estrada a recess appointment was a mistake.</p>

<p>Okay:</p>

<p>Signaling the worst revelations are yet to come, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said the additional photos show “acts that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhuman.” […]</p>

<p>The unreleased images show American soldiers beating one prisoner almost to death, apparently raping a female prisoner, acting inappropriately with a dead body, and taping Iraqi guards raping young boys, according to NBC News.</p>

<p>Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said the scandal is “going to get worse” and warned that the most “disturbing” revelations haven’t yet been made public.</p>

<p>“The American public needs to understand, we’re talking about rape and murder here,” he said. “We’re not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience; we’re talking about rape and murder and some very serious charges.”</p>

<p>In its May 10-17 issue, the Newsweek said that yet-unreleased Abu Gharib abuse photos “include an American soldier having sex with a female Iraqi detainee and American soldiers watching Iraqis have sex with juveniles.”</p>