<p>@illinoisan I agreed with you up until your last point: “Why not say, for example, that URM students have to attain a cutoff score greater than or equal to the lowest State cutoff score for NMSF?” I really think that we should focus on URM students with lower economic standing. For example, why should a wealthy URM be held to a lower standard than a poor Asian? (I’m Asian, so please no hate). If the root of this argument is that URMs do not have the resources to prepare for and excel on these tests, then we need to look at their income too. </p>
<p>Kind of surprised that this process has only yielded 11 state cutoffs this year so far. Last year we nailed down 21 before the list was leaked by Fair Test on the 8th of September (one year ago!) Would have thought there would be more reports coming in today. I guess people are resigned to waiting until Wednesday at this point.</p>
<p>Why are the Californians so quiet on this? Doesn’t any homeschooling go in in this State, and why don’t our Principals take the students aside to share the cutoff score?</p>
<p>@onlythebest13. DC has been verified by a previous poster today as being 224 again this year, so probably you should edit DC in the above list 
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<p>Updated with DC at 224. Not sure of post number or source, so someone feel free to jump in if you have that information. </p>
<p>States that still need to be finalized:
AK, AZ, AR, CA, CO, CT, DE, GA, HI, ID, IA,
ME, MA, MI, MN, MS, MO, MT, NE, NH, NJ, NM, NY, NC, ND, OK, OR, PA, RI, SC, SD, TN, UT, VT, VA, WA, WV, WI, WY</p>
<p>AL<= 208, post 1963 (school notification), -3 from last year
AK=?
AZ=(<= 213, post 2045 school counselor)
AR=?
CA=(<= 222, post 1996, e-mail from school)
CO=(<= 218, post 1510 HSL)
CT<= 220 (post 1947)
DE=?
DC= 224
FL= 211, post 1916, school admin., -3
GA =( 213<= GA <=215, post 1778, info from counselor, friends)
HI=(<=215, post 1873, Dean of Academics)
ID=(<=211, post 2058, student report, unknown communication)
IL=215 (post 2077, per high school admin) -1 from last year
IN= 212, post 1700 (per GC of friend) -3 from last year
IA=(<= 229, post 1792, notified by high school)
KS= 213, post1733, told by principal, -3 from last year
KY= 210, post 1406 (per high school with many qualifiers) -1 from last year
LA= 208, post 1803, 1856, told by principal
ME=?
MD=221 (posts 2114, 2163, 220 didn’t make it, 221 did) -2 from last year
MA=(<=223, post 2283, GC)
MI= (<= 211, posts 2388, GC)
MN= (<= 218, post 1835, 1849, told by counselor)
MS=(<=210, post 2041, school?)
MO=(<=212, post 1937, school)
MT=?
NE=(<=209, post 2346, school)
NV=208 (post 2088/2089, told by GC) -4 from last year
NH=?
NJ=?
NM=(<=212, posts 2117,2142, official letter from school)
NY=(<= 218, post 1669, school)
NC=(<= 215, post 1988, informed by GC)
ND=?
OH=213, post 1756, told by principal, -2 from last year
OK=(<= 210, post 1796, student qualified, unknown communication)
OR= (<=222, post 1619, college counselor)
PA (<= 216, post 2003, principal notification) -1 from last year
RI=?
SC=(<= 213, post 1525, school emailed student)
SD=?
TN= (<=212, post 1809, son’s friend)
TX=218, post 1807, high school counselor, -1 from last year
UT=(<=211, post 1983, principal and GC)
VT=(<=224, post 1819, unknown)
VA (<= 219, post 2509, school)
WA= (<= 218, post 2157, student reportedly made it with that score)
WV=?
WI= (<=209, post 2207, GC/friends)
WY=?</p>
<p>SE Boarding Schools <= 218, school counselor</p>
<p>Commended (national cutoff) = 201</p>
<p>Ack, this board is starting to stress me out, which is why in the past I’ve avoided this website. APs, SAT scores, honors, applications, it’s all so overwhelming, and I’m just the mom! My poor kids, LOL! I really hope they fair well though, coming from a bit of an underdog school. We only offer a handful of APs, and not because the rest of our classes are at an AP level. Here’s hoping it’s all enough.</p>
<p>@onlythebest13 post #2457 for DC verification @mdmommy4 </p>
<p>@illinoisan I asked the GC today if she had heard any news from NMSF and she shuffled around papers on her desk before telling me that no, they haven’t received anything yet. I can’t tell if she has received the letters and is withholding the information until Wednesday or if she genuinely hasn’t received it yet. </p>
<p>I believe that the promotion of state diversity already is an attempt to promote equality and diversity across the economic spectrum, which is why Appalachian States are given the benefit of lower cutoff scores, but okay, let’s say that URMs from the lower income spectrum are allowed the benefit of the lower NMSF cutoff.</p>
<p>@greatfallsmom Thanks for looking that up for us.</p>
<p>States that still need to be finalized:
AK, AZ, AR, CA, CO, CT, DE, GA, HI, ID, IA,
ME, MA, MI, MN, MS, MO, MT, NE, NH, NJ, NM, NY, NC, ND, OK, OR, PA, RI, SC, SD, TN, UT, VT, VA, WA, WV, WI, WY</p>
<p>AL<= 208, post 1963 (school notification), -3 from last year
AK=?
AZ=(<= 213, post 2045 school counselor)
AR=?
CA=(<= 222, post 1996, e-mail from school)
CO=(<= 218, post 1510 HSL)
CT<= 220 (post 1947)
DE=?
DC= 224, post 2457, GC
FL= 211, post 1916, school admin., -3
GA =( 213<= GA <=215, post 1778, info from counselor, friends)
HI=(<=215, post 1873, Dean of Academics)
ID=(<=211, post 2058, student report, unknown communication)
IL=215 (post 2077, per high school admin) -1 from last year
IN= 212, post 1700 (per GC of friend) -3 from last year
IA=(<= 229, post 1792, notified by high school)
KS= 213, post1733, told by principal, -3 from last year
KY= 210, post 1406 (per high school with many qualifiers) -1 from last year
LA= 208, post 1803, 1856, told by principal
ME=?
MD=221 (posts 2114, 2163, 220 didn’t make it, 221 did) -2 from last year
MA=(<=223, post 2283, GC)
MI= (<= 211, posts 2388, GC)
MN= (<= 218, post 1835, 1849, told by counselor)
MS=(<=210, post 2041, school?)
MO=(<=212, post 1937, school)
MT=?
NE=(<=209, post 2346, school)
NV=208 (post 2088/2089, told by GC) -4 from last year
NH=?
NJ=?
NM=(<=212, posts 2117,2142, official letter from school)
NY=(<= 218, post 1669, school)
NC=(<= 215, post 1988, informed by GC)
ND=?
OH=213, post 1756, told by principal, -2 from last year
OK=(<= 210, post 1796, student qualified, unknown communication)
OR= (<=222, post 1619, college counselor)
PA (<= 216, post 2003, principal notification) -1 from last year
RI=?
SC=(<= 213, post 1525, school emailed student)
SD=?
TN= (<=212, post 1809, son’s friend)
TX=218, post 1807, high school counselor, -1 from last year
UT=(<=211, post 1983, principal and GC)
VT=(<=224, post 1819, unknown)
VA (<= 219, post 2509, school)
WA= (<= 218, post 2157, student reportedly made it with that score)
WV=?
WI= (<=209, post 2207, GC/friends)
WY=?</p>
<p>SE Boarding Schools <= 218, school counselor</p>
<p>Commended (national cutoff) = 201</p>
<p>Just received information from our principal that cutoff is 222 in CA. Good luck to everyone that is still waiting to hear. </p>
<p>@Illinoisan…African American students have the opportunity to qualify for scholarships through NMSF-NMF process like everyone else, but additionally have the National Achievement Scholarship Program administered by NMSC as well which is strictly for AA students and has lower PSAT cutoff levels (often lower than NM Commended level scores). Many of the universities that offer large dollar scholarship packages to NM recognized students offer the exact same packages to National Achievement students.</p>
<p>National Hispanic Recognition Program (NHRP) is a program administered by College Board which, while not as large as NM or NA programs, offers large dollar scholarship packages at many state level public universities and is strictly for Hispanic students. Again…PSAT cutoff scores are quite a bit lower than NM level state cutoffs to qualify for this program.</p>
<p>URM students have the opportunity to qualify under both NM and NA or NHRP (possibly all for multi-racial students). There are threads here on CC for both NA and NHRP as well.</p>
<p>NHRP, the National Hispanic Recognition Program, does NOT give or facilitate large dollar scholarship. I know this because our California school has many Latino students, and this is an issue year after year. NMSF and NMF is where the large scholarship money is found. I do not know anything about the program you mentioned specifically for African American students, so I will not speak to that.</p>
<p>Please do not make statements about things you clearly do not know. The NHRP for Latino students is a nice certificate, but that is about it. If they want the real scholarship dollars and recruitment, they need to qualify for NMSF – in fact they are run by different organizations.</p>
<p>Darn, thank you California poster. Are you sure that they said that 222 is the cutoff, and not that your son or daughter with 222 made the cutoff, though? I was still hoping for that 221, but appreciate your reply.</p>
<p>@jbourne: juice and cookies for them, margaritas for you!</p>
<p>I am sure about the cutoff. My son has a 221 so I was also hoping for 1 point drop. But it was confirmed to me that the cutoff is 222. </p>
<p>Looks like NY cutoff will be 217 or 218. Son had a 216 and his friend had a 218. Friend was called down to guidance today to fill out application for finalist. Son was not called down. Confirms prior information that 218 in NY meets the cutoff. As I and my son expected a 216 is apparently a near miss. He doesn’t really care since he got a 2330 on his SAT and all the schools he is interested in don’t offer any National Merit money anyway. Would have been a nice “feather in the cap” and nice to have on his college application but he made National AP Scholar which should look just as nice as I think less than 100 kids a year from NY achieve this before their senior year.</p>
<p>Just to clarify I meant to say “hoping for more than a 1 point drop”. I realize 222 is a 1 point drop from last year. </p>
<p>@illinoisan - and indeed many of the NMSF students from states with lower cut-offs will not only surpass their OWN state’s requirements by “quite a bit”, but also surpass ALL states’ cut-offs by quite a bit.
@Grammargal - if folks don’t like how the National Merit Scholarship Corporation structures its rules, then they can take their toys and go home. Or they can score high enough to surpass ALL states’ cut-offs by quite a bit.</p>
<p>D got notification today. Just glad it’s official.</p>