Yes it says congratulations you have been accepted it was posted on Monday ! My D never checked we have been crazy busy with senior project and play rehearsals etc…
I just checked and I never sent in her test scores lol
Congratulations @lincoln56 !!!
@lincoln56 Congratulations!!!
For those interested in comparing costs of various schools, here’s a thread started in 2014. Most recent prices would be for the 2016-17 academic year…
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/musical-theater-major/1631040-sticker-shock-cost-of-attendance-from-financial-award-letters.html#latest
@mom4bwayboy Thanks for posting that link. I also liked what @VoiceTeacher posted - most of it made sense. Except one bit where he suggests the students work to pay for room and board.
“Students should also realize that they can work during school and pay money towards any loans that they take out for room and board. If they were to pay off their room and board tab each semester with a part-time job, their loan balance upon graduation would be significantly less.”
First, yes that would be great!
Second, What kind of part time job can a college student do that would pay $6,000 to $8000 each semester? Because that’s what room & board runs these days. Even adding in full time work over breaks and the summer, I don’t imagine my daughter could earn more than $4 to $7 thousand a YEAR during college.
@daughtersdreams. No such job. Maybe someone that lucks into commercial or film/tv work that could earn something like that over a few days of filming? Better pray you have the look and connections that would book that kind of work. Otherwise… no idea where that math comes from (and I didn’t research the comment so I’m assuming you understood it correctly but you may not have. Voiceteacher has been pretty solid on his advice.) One certainly wouldn’t have the spare time at even $15/hour to make that math work while also being a full time MT and if you did… I’d wonder about the quality of the program. There are only so many hours in a day no matter where you attend college.
Most MTs won’t earn that amount of money over the course of full time summer stock work either and in fact, many of your kids might not be paid at all for summer work… or you might even consider paying to play a summer or two. That is NOT something I recommend at all (and we drew a solid line there) but I leave you all to decide what makes sense for your situations. At some point professionals in this profession need to expect to be paid. And when they are not, there needs to be an important reason for deciding to work for free.
@megamusical I agree!! We may have to turn down a top choice simply because of money!!!
@halflokum and most BFA programs don’t even allow students to audition for outside work…
@KPike320 Birmingham Southern. Dropped my D off yesterday at their “Select Southern” event for prospective students. I was extremely impressed at what they have to offer MT students. D has another visit set up at a BFA she was accepted to and is still waiting to hear from another program. However, after receiving texts from her last night I think she may have found her place. I pick her up this afternoon after a day of classes. We’ll see :).
@brightstaral what is that event? She will audition there in April. They have been courting her for awhile. Have you gone to see any of their shows? I’m told their school is in a not so good neighborhood. What are your thoughts?
@brightstaral and @KPike320 , one of my D’s best friends goes to Birmingham Southern and he absolutely LOVES it. He is a freshman and his year so far has been amazing. He was cast in a show his first semester and is in another one this semester. He loves the MT department.
So just like to wish everyone on this thread good luck and good vibes this week and next as I know crunch time for a lot of us has arrived. A lot of moms and dads and kids on edge.
I will say it is encouraging how everyone on this forum is helpful and supportive to others when they are in their own misery with waiting and wondering. I have appreciated it the past year especially. We would have been in one big pickle if it wasn’t for the info gleaned here.
I know CC gets a bad rap in general for the other forums especially but this one seems different.
So thanks =D>
@theaterwork I venture into the other forums occasionally. They can be scary places! The support on these threads is awesome!
This is one of my favorite threads hope you all enjoy its very interesting!
A commonly recurring question on this forum is, “Which schools give the best merit aid?” Responses generally are helpful but anecdotal in nature. I decided to see if I could come up with a means to help answer this question on a comprehensive basis. It turns out that schools report the size and number of merit aid scholarships that they distribute via the Common Data set and from this data potentially useful comparisons can be made.
Merit Aid Data
I accumulated Merit Aid data from all the MT programs listed at the top of this forum from College Data. I used “Merit-Based Gift” percentages and the average award amounts for incoming Freshman who had no financial need and received merit aid. I used these numbers because many/most parents who post questions about Merit Aid state that they believe that they will not receive need-based aid. According to the Common Data Set, these amounts include both academic and talent awards.
If you are interested in need-based aid, you can do a similar analysis at College Data using the financial aid numbers. For example, schools at the bottom of the list may offer substantial need-based financial aid.
Ordering the List
I thought about various ways to present the data. I decided to list the schools according to “Net Cost After Award” based on the following simple formula:
Net Cost After Award = (Tuition) + (Room and Board) - (Average Merit Award)
I used this computation for ranking because some schools that give very large average merit awards also cost a relatively large of money (USC and Miami, for example). My conclusion was that, at the end of the day, a “bottom line” comparsion would be potentially most illustrative.
Here is an explanation of the data shown in the list:
51. Boco | 3.8% | $6,375 | $53,070
Boco gives non-need based merit awards to 3.8% of incoming Freshman and the average award is $6,375. The net cost after deducting that amount from tuition + room/board results in a net cost of $53,070 and a 51st place ranking.
List of MT Schools Ranked by Cost After Average Merit Aid Award
Key: School Name | Percent Receving Non-Need Merit Aid | Average Merit Award | Net Cost After Award
- Texas State (IS) | 1.5% | $2,954 | $14,174
- Montclair (IS) | 5.6% | $5,302 | $20,248
- Coastal Carolina (OOS) | 15.6% | $11,471 | $20,359
- Oklahoma City | 10.7% | $19,240 | $21,020
- Wright State (OOS) | 9.4% | $4,165 | $21,853
- CSF (OOS) | 4.7% | $7,826 | $22,332
- Sam Houston (OOS) | 9.6% | $2,766 | $25,350
- Viterbo | 15.2% | $6,200 | $25,530
- Ball State (OOS) | 10.4% | $6,979 | $25,981
- Millikin | 10.3% | $12,805 | $26,135
- SUNY Fredonia | 11.1% | $3,287 | $26,204
- Northern Colorado (OOS) | 13.2% | $2,870 | $26,307
- Santa Fe | 32.2% | $12,800 | $27,068
- Baldwin-Wallace | 18.6% | $11,840 | $27,334
- Otterbein | 22.4% | $12,916 | $27,968
- SUNY Buffalo | 2.6% | $6,030 | $28,661
- Shenandoah | 23.0% | $10,979 | $28,937
- Oklahoma | 8.8% | $2,027 | $29,108
- Point Park | 9.9% | $13,232 | $29,278
- Florida State (OOS) | 5.7% | $3,692 | $29,465 | VERY DIFFICULT
- Western Michigan (OOS) | 5.4% | $4,096 | $29,764
- Temple | 12.4% | $5,192 | $30,268
- James Madison (OOS) | 2.2% | $3,353 | $30,365 | VERY DIFFICULT
- Webster | 19.0% | $3,557 | $31,543
- UCF | NR | NR | $31,766
- Illinois Wesleyan | 29.6% | $17,763 | $32,527
- CCM (OOS) | 16.0% | $5,087 | $32,949
- Arizona (OOS) | 18.7% | $5,269 | $33,866
- Marymount Manhatten | 15.9% | $8,072 | $34,564
- Indiana (OOS) | 17.6% | $7,671 | $35,063
- Elon | 21.5% | $6,029 | $35,885
- Roosevelt | 18.4% | $11,000 | $36,079
- Rider | 21.6% | $13,840 | $36,320
- Miami | 22.5% | $20,300 | $36,734 | VERY DIFFICULT
- TCU | 24.0% | $13,055 | $36,925 | VERY DIFFICULT
- Wagner | 21.2% | $15,613 | $37,587
- Emerson | 7.7% | $15,286 | $37,660
- Penn State (OOS) | 7.8% | $3,230 | $37,742 | VERY DIFFICULT
- Hartt | 14.4% | $8,951 | $38,011
- Ohio Northern | NR | NR | $38,960
- Pace | 20.7% | $16,768 | $39,529
- UCI | 0.8% | $10,631 | $39,642 | VERY DIFFICULT
- Catholic | 30.3% | $14,500 | $39,744
- USC | 20.5% | $20,752 | $40,862 | VERY DIFFICULT
- Ithaca | 21.6% | $12,961 | $40,903
- Muhlenberg | 36.4% | $12,215 | $42,380 | VERY DIFFICULT
- American | 14.2% | $13,564 | $42,727 | VERY DIFFICULT
- UCLA | 2.2% | $4,017 | $45,025 | VERY DIFFICULT
- Syracuse | 10.2% | $9,720 | $46,626 | VERY DIFFICULT
- Michigan (OOS) | 17.9% | $4,938 | $47,214 | VERY DIFFICULT
- U Arts | NR | NR | $52,414
- Boco | 3.8% | $6,375 | $53,070
- NYU | 2.7% | $9,083 | $53,847 | MOST DIFFICULT
- Carnegie Mellon | 7.0% | $7,053 | $54,369 | MOST DIFFICULT
- Northwestern | 5.5% | $2,785 | $58,855 | MOST DIFFICULT
Note 1: The list of schools shown are those posted at the top of this forum. There are many more schools that offer very fine MT programs. It was not possible from the data to separate NYU/Tisch from NYU/Steinhardt.
Note 2: NR = not reported
Note 3: MOST DIFFICULT and VERY DIFFICULT are academic admission ratings. All other schools are rated as MODERATELY DIFFICULT with the exception of Wright State, which is rated MINIMALLY DIFFICULT. It may be more challenging to receive an academic Merit Aid offer from schools rated MOST and VERY DIFFICULT than other schools. However, they may offer excellent Talent-based awards.
Note 4: Cost is based on Tuition + Room & Board as listed on College Data. Conservatory uplift was included for Baldwin-Wallace, CCPA Roosevelt, COPA Point Park, Hartt, and CCM. Tuition numbers seem to be a moving target and your mileage may vary. You can derive the total cost number for Tuition + Room & Board used in this analysis by adding the two dollar amounts shown.
Note 5: In-state (IS) tuition was used for Texas State and Montclair since both grant IS status to all out-of-state MT students (as of Fall 2015 for Montclair). Otherwise, out-of-state (OOS) tuition was used for all public schools.
Note 6: Some MT programs may have sufficient funding to exceed the percentages and average award amounts shown for their school as a whole.
Note 7: Many/most schools are able to offer merit/talent awards in excess of the numbers shown on an individual basis. Some schools have “automatic” merit scholarships for incoming Freshman that exceed the numbers shown, i.e., Western Michigan has $9,000 and $7,000 Presidential Scholarships for OOS students. Some schools give very large scholarships for National Merit Finalists. No doubt people can point to scholarships that they have received which are far in excess of the numbers shown. Large scholarships are (almost) always possible, this analysis is focused on the probable. Every school of interest should be investigated fully to get a complete picture of what merit/talent aid may be available for a particular student.
Note 8: You can easily import this data into Excel by denoting that the vertical bars are field separators.
Hopefully this data will help people form a more complete picture of the Merit Aid and MT program cost landscape.
To reiterate a point made at the beginning of this post, this analysis was focused on non-need based Merit Aid. If you qualify for Financial Aid, many schools offer very generous aid packages, and you can compare this using other data on College Data (dot com), as well as other sources.
My daughter was an RA for one year…it was difficult and she basically had NO free time whatsoever but she juggled it and we saved on years room and board. It really helped.
@MTAlabamaMom My D auditioned for Montclair at NYC Unifieds. Anyway, she had received her academic admission back in November. So your first letter outlines that. They will send a second sort of confusing 2nd letter if it’s a rejection, which my D also received last month stating that she was not given her “first choice” as a major…blah blah…it comes from admissions, not the MT department which I found confusing. I would rather have seen NO BFA MT just to be perfectly clear. Yes, we are a little bitter about Montclair. My older D went there so we were hoping. Still waiting on 6 other schools at this point. But we are trying to stay positive as best we can…just need the one “yes”!
re: post # 2374, add to Note 5: In addition to those noted for giving IS tuition to MT students, some state schools will give in-state tuition to residents of “contiguous” states or states that are part of a “common market”. I believe Western Michigan falls into this category. Others may give tuition breaks to residents of select “contiguous” zip codes (in the past CCM (University of Cincinnati) and NKU (Northern Kentucky - not on "big list) fell into this category, not sure if they still do)
good info! Hoping my D gets into ONE of her choices!
@missnypizza Same here - except our rejection came from Rider. It was a bit confusing on the portal, not very clear. And then when her acceptance package came - she got into the Arts Admin program - there were 2 letters. CONGRATS you are accepted - and then the rejection letter! We are waiting on 6 schools - D applied to 2 other programs strictly for Arts Admin and was already accepted in for those - but her heart is in MT and like you said, we only need one acceptance!