@back2back Wagner WL movement happened on April 19th last year. My D was one of the first off the list, it was the day before our visit on the 20th. 3 came off right away, and she met some kids on the tour the next day that were on the WL and they came off shortly after. I would suspect you should see movement soon.
@vvnstar I agree that supplementing an expensive school with lessons can bring the total cost too high. That’s why D didn’t end up at Barnard which would have been full pay and no guarantee of voice lessons within the school.
But her other schools all offered between $15K and $25k of merit aid per year. We would have used some of that money towards outside classes if necessary.
In terms of grad school outside of theatre, I think it depends on where you apply and how competitive a program is. Sometimes the prestige of a school opens up the door to more acceptances and more scholarship money. A high gpa in a low-ranked school might not have the same impact as a good gpa from a more highly ranked school.
So the difference in undergraduate tuition may be made up by more scholarship money down the road.
OK so what is the difference between “waitlist” and “alternate list”. Someone on facebook said that they are two different things.
@Isaboo alternative list will probably be chosen first to replace a type. waitlist is the pool if the alternative declines
@Isaboo -
Apparently, an alternate is a student of a specific type who will be offered admittance if the first choice of that type declines their offer, while a waitlist is a more general grouping of people who might be offered admission if there is enough room.
@LBSMOM, thank you for the information on Wagner WL!
@vvnstar totally agree with your post
What about Priority Hold? How does that compare to WL? TY
- Is there an honors program and can your MT student participate? Will it work with an MT schedule?
Millikin University has an honors program that does work with a MT schedule. There were at least two in dd’s honors class alone that were MT and more that were theater majors.
@uskoolfish - I don’t think I agree with you that the academic name is most important. The harder academic school will have kids in the academic classes that don’t have as many extracurricular activities as a BFA student. So it might be harder to have the super high GPA at that school. Whereas if you go to a “lesser” academic school and do extremely well (and also rock your standardized tests), I think if you might be fine. That was my own route (to a top law school)- but definitely not the most common (everyone else seemed to have gone to an Ivy). Who knows…
Also - there is the financial issue that I think will become more apparent as time goes by. Bubble kids (who don’t get aid, but can’t afford expensive schools) by and large don’t get merit money at top schools. The Ivy’s are proud of the fact that they only give money to those in “need” as if everyone else can afford to drop $280k per kid. There is an in between group and grad schools looking for the best candidates can’t be unaware that financial differences are causing weird separations.
In terms of the name of the university, with regard to the future employment, grad school, etc., that was not really a consideration for my kid. However, she DID care about the level of the school and its academics for the experience itself. Attending a BFA program in a more selective university, the level of academic challenge and the entire student body, enhanced the overall experience of her education. She prefers rigor and a challenging atmosphere at school and cared about the academic piece, as well as the level of BFA training. Part of getting a BFA is still the other courses taken in liberal arts. The learning environment in a more selective university overall suited my D well, in addition to finding fine BFA training within it. Some students don’t care about the academic piece. But for my D, combining great BFA in MT training within a selective academic university was the ideal mix for four years. I find that her peer group (now alums) include some movers and shakers and shapers in the industry. [D attended NYU/Tisch]
I didn’t think @uskoolfish was saying that the academic name is most important.
MY D is a lot like @soozievt’s D…she wants an academically challenging environment in addition to a great BFA program. The academics are important to her.
Every kid is different, therefore they are all looking for different things in a program. That’s why it’s great that our kids have so many different options! They will all find their HOME!
@soozievt - I totally get it. That’s the issue I think for my kid comparing NYU and Syracuse. NYU is a better academic fit, but will cost $17K more per year! No Easy decision in our household…
I had a question about NYU. I think I heard that they break the studios down (whichever one they get) into smaller classes- like 12-15- students. Will those 12-15 kids have all their training together or do they mix and match the entire studio so that kids eventually get to know all 60 (or so) assigned to that studio?
@uskoolfish Deb Messing was in my class at Brandeis and was an English and American Lit major with me. I had absolutely no idea she was into theater at that time. There is much to be said for a kid who is highly academic and wants to be in an academics first program. There is much to be said for a kid who is highly motivated to receive as much training in music, dance, theater as possible and postpone academics to a time if and when it becomes necessary. We took our cues from our kid. He absolutely knew what type of program he wanted and what he wanted out of a program. I think there is a period of mourning either way and lots of very valid what ifs either way. So, like the previous discussion of unifieds vs. on campus–know what your kid needs/wants and go from there.
The point I was making is that challenging academics are not necessarily limited to the top ranked academic schools. You may have to work harder to create a schedule that meets your desired academic intensity at schools less known for their academics, but it may be possible to find like minded students and courses at most any university. And for some people, that may be the better option whether it be due to cost, location or other factors. Don’t discount those schools until you really research and understand what they can offer you in terms of challenging academics. You may be pleasantly surprised.
@MomofJ5 - congrats to you all on having such wonderful schools to choose from. Best wishes as you make your decision!
@MomofJ5: Yes, they do break the class in each studio down into groups of 15 or less in a classroom. But the students do get mixed and matched as the groups change year to year and so you are not with the same 15 kids in class all four years. Also, I recall in dance classes, those were leveled and so not the same exact group, for example, as in one’s acting class. The students definitely mix and get to know their entire class. Further, all the Tischies take Theater Studies courses and so are mixing with a broader range of kids from various studios in those classes. Then, add into the mix that many students switch studios for their later years, and so mix with even more kids that way. And also in theater productions outside of their studio.
@1bamom - we are visiting BoCo on Thursday; can you tell me more details about your D’s experiences so far? I visited the exterior of BoCo last year; obviously it’s very “urban” but does your D feel safe there? Other things she likes or dislikes about the MT program/area? TIA!!
@soozievt - so my S applied to Acting, not MT- but I guess I was wondering if in the first year- do they mix up the acting classes within the studio. Or will he just bond with the 15 in his sub group that first year (plus dorm, academic classes, etc). We sort of know one girl who had a bit of an adjustment finding her “group” at NYU and I wasn’t sure if she didn’t bond with anyone in a 60 person studio (maybe she was shy)- or in a 15 person subgroup of that studio (maybe she just didn’t find her best friend). I’m sure it’s the same at any small conservatory training - if the group is small and your best friend isn’t there (for whatever reason), your experience will be different from someone who was lucky enough to find someone to bond with.
This is so incredibly off topic but since this is the class of 2022 venting thread, I just tried to make an appointment for my daughters annual physical and the pediatrician is refusing to see her because she will be turning 18 the month before her exam is due. So not only having to choose a college but scrambling to find a new doctor in time for college physical and shots, etc. Can they really refuse to see a patient when they turn 18? That seems so wrong to me.
@collegemom2000 - Most pediatricians cut the kids off at age 21…at least, mine did.