Class of 2024 undergrad/Class of 2022 grad: The Tours, the Auditions, the Journey

It’s a weird time for us. S had to cancel an overseas trip that he’s waited for for more than a year because all music related activities he was scheduled to do have been canceled. He was supposed to leave tomorrow, returning end of May, and that was going to make the wait for decisions more bearable.

In addition, all arts activities and events at our HS have been canceled by the district (the spring musical, Essentially Ellington trip in NYC which is so hard-earned, our other jazz band’s earned spot at the Monterey Next Gen Jazz Festival, choir trip to neighboring state, jazz night concerts at our school, our jazz Gala and Auction where all five ensembles perform, marching band parades, orchestra performances, the list goes on…). So my kids are sad and I’m sad for both them and us.

We may be soon have canceled schools and mandatory social distancing as well .

So yeah, the waiting is hard and made worse by all that’s going.on in our community (and the world).

@raincat WOW !!! I’m sad right along with your kids ? Doesn’t make it better, but hope you’re refunded any fees. Soooo sad. Musicals going on as planned here but attendance was lower than our normal full house. If you don’t mind sharing, what State are you in? Such a disruption to our lives.

Oh, @raincat , I’m so sorry about all that but especially about Ellington. To be one of the schools to make it, such an honor, and not be able to go! Our high school didn’t make it, but our musicians definitely were so sad to hear about how two of the schools who were selected from our area were no longer going because of the coronavirus.

Yeah, I think they’ll be cancelling our schools the moment they have any indication that someone in the school district may potentially have it. Everything else has been cancelled.

Our local youth orchestra just had the second of three concerts. I’m really not prepared to have that be my son’s last concert with such a wonderful ensemble. It’s all very sad.

@BenniesMom1 we are in Seattle :slightly_frowning_face:

Ahh… my brother is one of the VPs at Amazon over there so been hearing the stories. ? Quite sad and unfortunate. Keeping you all in our thoughts and prayers over here on the East Coast. That’s all we can do. This too shall pass and in it’s place, will be some very resilient kids. Here’s hoping they can make up or reschedule some of those activities, especially Ellington, for your senior.

Our school district is just trying to make the best decisions possible in a terrible and uncertain situation and we realize that. We also know that we are privileged in the first place to have such a fantastic arts program at our public HS with many amazing opportunities for our kids. Hoping for this to get under control for all our sakes.

One more “If we had to do it over again”… I WOULD have insisted that my kid submit those applications to schools he liked (eg JMU) that were NOT on the Common App. He always said… Hmmm… “Not on Common App? Extra work for me. And if they’re not on the CA, they don’t want my application”. I laughed about it then and kinda agreed with him, but in retrospect, that was kinda dumb cause he missed out on a couple of schools he really liked which I think would have been a great fit for him. Ah well. Happy with the ones he did end up with and the ones we’re still waiting for.

And for a more recent one, I just read an “Ask the Dean” recap here on CC regarding asking for more money and the dean said… "Ask for a specific amount of money, not just for “More” (like Oliver Twist!). " OY… I did NOT do that. I was like Oliver Twist… Just MORE. Now I know and going forward, I will have a specific amount to ask for.

Good luck to you who are most affected by the virus and “viral closures.” We haven’t gotten there yet (am in NYC), but it could be a matter of time before the May opera and onstage ensemble concerts are cancelled. My kids are still using the subway back and forth each day to school and lessons and precollege.

The “If Game”

I have a chance to start this again with my middle son, a singer who will graduate high school 2022. He is not as ambitious as my oldest son (says that he wants to be a house painter or work at 7/11, which ever is less work for him–and he really means this), so our plan will be different. But, generally speaking, here is my “if list”:

– I do agree with @BenniesMom1 that general college fairs are a waste of time.

–Focus on small, performing arts fairs. We are lucky enough in NYC to have performing arts college fairs, which are great, not so much for gathering information, but for being “seen” and showing interest. My oldest kid got a lot of offers for trial lessons just by chatting up the music dead of admissions, which was at most of the tables at these fairs. So we’d concentrate on those.

–The SAT. My middle son doesn’t have the grades that my older one does, so we will need to approach things a bit differently. But for my oldest I wish he had taken the SAT one more time. He took the free one and did “good” but not “stellar.”

–I would have also had him audition for school shows for his CV. I think ultimately his resume was fine because he has a church singing job, but the only thing he had at school was his chorus. If I were a school, I would want kids who were excited about being part of school activities. It strengthens the school. My kid is not that kid! And his resume shows it. I have been told that consistent involvement in school music activities could have helped with possible merit aid. This may or may not be true.

–Audition regionally. We originally had a ton of schools on his list and whittled it down to a small number. We were told that it was “essential” to visit the school and audition on campus to show interest, so we removed any school that we didn’t want to spend money travelling to or that we could not fit into our schedule rather than auditioning regionally. I know now, that auditioning regionally can be absolutely good, because at the last minute we added Lawrence, which we auditioned regionally for. He was accepted there, got an enormous merit package, and is still getting offers to audition/apply for additional Lawrence merit scholarships. Plus, they send the nicest hand-written cards and letters. We’ll go see the school on their accepted student day next month.

—Go to the financial aid sessions at the auditions. I admit that I skipped most of these because I got chatting with people I knew. Sigh. The one I did attend (at Oberlin) was super helpful.

–Start earlier with the rep. Because his voice was changing right up until auditions, the rep was a nightmare. I believed him when he said everything was fine in that area and because this is his rodeo, not mine, I had no reason to think anything was amiss. I don’t know if it was fear or laziness (I think it may have been the latter), but he simply did not want to learn new rep. But was terrified to sing the rep he had because it was too high for him. So we had this situation where he had all these songs he knew really well, but were not appropriate for him. His teachers kept saying that he’d be fine and that he just needed more practice. But for some reason, more practice wasn’t helping. So he switched rep a couple weeks before prescreens were made. That was incredibly stressful, especially because it was a heavy exam period at his school.

–Not take his attitude. All the “get into college” experts will tell you that kids are stressed during this time and are testy and mean. They say kids will say incredibly entitled, victimy, disrespectful downright hurtful things, and that you should ignore it because they are under stress. I agree they are under stress, but how you do one thing is how you do everything, and to allow a kid to be disrespectful to you (especially in front of their younger siblings, who then think it’s okay to be that way) is not helpful. My kid got mean. At some points, really mean. I’m the PTA pres at my kid’s school and there were more than one time that I was crying when my PTA VP or a treasurer called to ask for something. Most of them were going through something similar with their seniors, so we did check in on each other. Which was really helpful. But I wish I had handled this better and that I had gotten my husband more on board with the need for respect as we all work together to help this kid (as he helps himself). Toward the end of all this, my kid did apologize and did express gratitude, but for those few really hard months, all my kids got mean because it became the new normal in my home. One kid’s meanness affects the way the entire family behaves.

–Talk more about money. Right now we are waiting for a few more conservatory acceptances, have one more audition left, and have three in-the-hand acceptances. His first choice school is one of those acceptances BUT they don’t make the financial package known until April. It is notoriously not affordable. But he has fallen in love and now that they are sending him nice notes, and the music teacher emails him every couple of weeks, he can’t see going anywhere else. We did have a very strong money conversation early in the school search process, in which we told him what we could afford, and what would happen if no school came in at that number (he’d have to take a job or a loan or a gap year or find another school). So he knows were we stand, but I am gently reminding him of the finances. Still, he’s a boy in love…

And here is my, “dang, I got this really right” list:

–Summer programs with a school’s staff or at the school (with or without the school’s staff), so he gets to meet people and/or gets to see what it could be like at a particular school. For my second son (this is a money decision), we decided to skip Interlochen this summer and go with a (free) very prestigious, audition-in summer musical theatre conservator here in NYC.

–Put him in a regular precollege program. This not only kept his musicianship high, but it gave him the opportunity to create deep relationships with musical mentors who wrote recommendations, made phone calls, and opened doors (often simply by being alums of the schools my kid was applying to). My second son is in the same precollege program, but because he is struggling to keep his GPA up, he has lost his (partial) scholarship for next year. We can’t pay full price for precollege, so we’ll choose one of the free music programs (there are several here in NYC) where he will go each Saturday to develop the musicianship and those relationships with musical mentors. Not everything has to be paid.

–Re-did a bit of his prescreens (one song) when we went over the professional videos we had made for him and realized that his voice was really strained on the last song (a very important German song) that he recorded. We went to the church where he works and paid the music director to accompany him and I shot it on my phone. He sounded perfect, even if the video wasn’t as pretty as the others.

–Near-daily walks alone with my oldest kid, just to listen to him talk and be a sounding board. (And alone time with each of the others, so I can check in with them, show them how important they are to me, etc.)

–We had so much fun during audition weekends. We used them as mini-vacations. It sounds like many of you did the same thing!

–Found him an additional voice teacher when it seemed his main one couldn’t help with the vocal strain he was experiencing. It was an extra expense, but was incredibly helpful.

–Bought a good suit for him. My kid dresses well (he spends his paychecks on clothing) but a good British suit made him feel invincible. This was my husband’s idea and I am glad we did this.

–Encouraged him not to look at his phone before the audition. For some reason, the night before each audition my kid would see something his girlfriend posted on social media and it would set him off, or he’d learn there was a party with his classmates that he wasn’t invited to. Then he wouldn’t sleep all night. And he’d look terrible the next day. (He’s fair and when he doesn’t sleep, you can see the dark circles!) So we had to make a pact that I would take his phone and give it back after the audition. He would take his book (Great Gatsby) in to auditions, so he’d be reading that while everyone else was reading their phones. It was emotionally safer for him.

–Insisted he stay up-to-date with his homework and makeup missed exams immediately upon returning from his auditions. Yes, it was grueling, but I am listening to the parents of some of the kids who did not do this. It is not pretty!

–Have a group of mom-friends who have kids going through this. We meet every once in awhile for coffee or wine just to emotionally support each other. This has been invaluable for me. I’m a solo-most-of-the-time parent (my husband works in DC and travels back and forth), so these ladies have really helped get me through. And, they have had some really great inside information and tips to share, because they are all in audition mode themselves (my kid is at a performing arts school, so I have a lot of parental company).

–Reminding my son that this , too, shall (soon) pass. That he is on his way to adulthood and this part of the road is a bit bumpier than others. A rocket takes more energy to launch than it does to orbit. A human takes more energy to launch than he/she does to orbit. Sometimes I think he isn’t listening to me, but I keep reminding him anyway!

Good luck everyone!!!

@MomOfSingers your “got it right” list is amazing! Spot on!

Thank you, @akapiratequeen! It’s going to be so much easier with the next kid! Happy waiting to you!

@MomOfSingers wow, I love your Got it Right list, especially the part about it being harder to launch a rocket / human than to keep them in orbit. Well said and I will keep it in mind as this process comes to a close and for a possible next go-round with DD who is a sophomore who may pursue this path as well. I love this Music Majors group.

I love your lists! My second child won’t be a music major and is a very different child, on the whole, so I don’t have a good “how will I do things differently next time” list. But for those of you who have younger kids who will be going through the audition process, these are the things that I’m so happy that we did - many of which echo what’s above.

  1. Visited as many schools in person as we could. This made a huge difference in my daughter's list and allowed her to pinpoint what she wanted from her college experience. The school that was her #1 going into our college visits ended up not even making the list. She found out that she actually wanted something completely different.
  2. Asked for sample lessons. Counselors at the high school told us to do this on our college visits, and I was so worried that we would be bothering the professors and they would have a negative view of my daughter. Absolutely not the case! Now, I can't even imagine how she would pick a school without having a lesson with at least one teacher.
  3. Applied to a lot of schools. I teach at a university, and I talked to some of my students about how many schools they applied to and whether they felt it was too many/too few. The general consensus was that 7-10 schools was a good number and allowed them to feel like they had good choices at the end. So my daughter went for 10. Her friends who applied to fewer are feeling blocked in and anxious by their choices now, and she is so happy that I gave her this advice.
  4. Took an ACT prep class. I am against standardized tests in general, but I was worried about my daughter's test anxiety so I signed her up for a very touchy-feely local prep class. It made a world of difference in her performance, and her score opened up opportunities for her that we did not anticipate. It's just a number, but it really does help to have that number working for you.
  5. Spent money on audition tapes. It was costly, but the quality of the videos was something that we could control. If she didn't pass a pre-screen, at least we knew that it would be due to her performance and not because of a low quality video. There's so little that we can control in this process - I'm all about doing what I can! (And the same goes for her audition outfit - it made her feel confident each time.)
  6. Packed a humidifier and voice steamer on every trip. They took up space in our suitcases and caused a few TSA searches because they look weird on x-ray, but my daughter felt like they made a big difference in maintaining her vocal health.
  7. Enjoyed the time together. We turned every weekend away into as much of a vacation as we could. She wants to go far from home for college, so I'm soaking up as much time together as I can.

@MomOfSingers love both lists-well done!

I kept my D’s attitude in check mostly via text messages- whenever a bit of Diva came out I usually made her go load the dishwasher or some “grounding” activity, followed by a detailed list of To Do items that had to be checked off before I would pay for her next voice lesson or buy her more godforsaken pantyhose. She honestly wasn’t that bad, but mostly because the stress was tempered by the google docs, shared notes, and shared email account. I think I absorbed much of the stress because I didn’t want anything to slip through the cracks this time around.

I’m a parent of four also on my own nearly all of the time and most likely won’t be going through this exact same process with the others. My oldest decided not to pursue piano performance and focus on music therapy/psychology. One of my others is a fine artist so we’ll be building the portfolio. The youngest? Who knows right now.

Re: regional auditions. We did two (CMU and Oberlin) and the only downside for us at present is that with the current travel restrictions and recommendations, we won’t be able to visit these campuses should a good offer come in. I will then rely on YouTube and the CC community for advice, photos, and insight!

Now that S has been accepted to UNT, we’re eyeing a trip to Texas to get some sense for the school and location . It’s wild that a school he nearly didn’t apply to has become a favorite he feels great about. The admission and audition process can definitely shape thoughts on a school.

What remains to work out is he also got into a very selective acting program much closer to home in NY. Financially, UNT wins in a big way. Both are very enticing to him for different reasons and maybe appealing at the acting school could get a better $ situation. Ultimately, the decision of acting vs music that he tried to leave in the hands of whichever got him into a better school scenario is going to have to be made now. It’s a good problem to have but will lead to some agonizing between here and May 1. Hopefully getting to see more of the schools up close will give some clarity.

In the meantime, anybody with tips for Denton and the DFW area? We’re going to try and time it to catch a baseball game at the Rangers new stadium.

I’ve just been catching up on these last few pages. Good luck to everyone in the final stretch. The waiting game was definitely the hardest part for us last year but it is the BEST feeling when everything somehow falls into place and your child finds their perfect college home. All that hard work, patience and stress WILL pay off.

Just wanted to offer some insight on the financial side which I seemed to only fully understand in those final weeks before decision time.

Determine ahead of time, if you haven’t already, what your max parent contribution can be, if you will need to take out loans, and if you will require your child to take out the max student loans (about $5500-$7000 per year.) When you applied for financial aid, you should have received an EFC (Expected Family Contribution) number but it may not match up to your actual budget in a realistic way. Ours was higher than we could really spend. This way you have a target number for offers.

So if a school is $55000 per year including meals/dorm and they give a $20,000 scholarship, can you afford the $35,000 or do you need them to come down lower? What is reasonable for you to pay per year? Perhaps it is $30,000 ($24,500 from you, with or without loans, and $5500 loan for your child.)

When your child has their top 2-3 schools, you can call to ask each school what the policy is for an appeal. Some schools will flat out tell you they don’t take appeals, be ready for that. CalArts was one of those for us. They gave my daughter their top scholarship but it just wasn’t enough to meet our needs and we had to drop the school from consideration. Most will give you a form or a contact person to write the letter. We had my daughter write the letter (sent by email) with our guidance/help. She wrote to her first choice school stating that the cost of attendance was lower at her second choice school and the other school was closer to home so her parents were looking at the “bottom line numbers” and was there anything they could do to match the other offer or at least bring it closer to that cost? She heaped praise on the school, stressing how much she wanted to attend. She provided the actual offer from the other school to back up her claims. In a few days, they came back with more than we expected (an extra $3000 per year) and that sealed the deal.

It sounded like some of you were already trying to negotiate prices, so I just wanted to point out that it might be best to wait until your child has a few top schools and all offers are on the table so you can be targeted and focused. It is a time to be realistic and honest with your child. My daughter had to drop a few which were “dream schools” at one point but she truly ended up at her number one choice, which just happened to give her the biggest scholarship (and extra $ in the end) and was within our budget. No regrets on her end or our end.

Can’t wait to hear about the final acceptances and decisions!

Curtis cancelled any other remaining departmental auditions (including cello, unfortunately) owing to COVID-19. A significant disappointment, to be sure, but they were clearly faced with a no-win situation.

@tableforsix, I am sorry! Did Curtis say whether it would reschedule? Or are they truly cancelled?

I’m paraphrasing, but it basically said they would reschedule if new info came to light and otherwise would invite 2020 scheduled applicants for next year’s auditions. They sounded genuinely regretful. One of those rock-hard place things.