<p>No. College is not a right. Admission into a top college is not a right. People aren’t entitled to an ivy league education. The only reform I would propose is race blind admissions. That way we could at least ensure the most qualified get into the top schools.</p>
<p>So the OP is saying that he is an average/mediocre applicant but he should still have the “right” to attend a top college?</p>
<p>Opting out of which standardized tests? If there are standardized requirements in place, they are probably there for good reason.</p>
<p>Indeed, however, some race are blinded by the top colleges for certain reasons. We have no idea why or how colleges think of the candidates applying to their universities. I suppose they have can’t have the intellectual ethnic races getting in when they need to make their campus more diverse with all different kinds of people from different places and background. I would agree that that is one of the societal roles for the higher level of education system after post secondary graduate. There are some races that colleges consider peripheral. Asians and African Americans. Look at how many Asian people are intelligent and understand their career in America? There are plenty of us out there. Universities make it difficult for us so that their community isn’t so biased with a particular race of entourage. African Americans get waitlisted/rejected unless their athletic. It’s sad and I think both races along with all other races should get equal chances with the academic profile without too much of the “background check” accordingly. Hopefully, someone from the political & educational door can try to emphasize this while restoring economic times.</p>
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<p>Do you even understand what I’m talking about? I’m talking about how we can reduce competition so it is not too competitive. I have been able to seen the differences of how difficult is it to get into college compared to the past. I’m sorry, but I hope next time when you come here, you can think about what you’re going to say before saying it. Calling someone mediocre based on concept written isn’t very smart either.</p>
<p>Top colleges are prestigious precisely because they are so selective. Decrease selectivity, decrease prestige. If anyone can get a Harvard diploma, a Harvard diploma won’t mean much.</p>
<p>Colleges are more selective now because students are willing to consider schools farther from home.</p>
<p>“I suppose they have can’t have the intellectual ethnic races getting in when they need to make their campus more diverse with all different kinds of people from different places and background. I would agree that that is one of the societal roles for the higher level of education system after post secondary graduate. There are some races that colleges consider peripheral. Asians and African Americans. Look at how many Asian people are intelligent and understand their career in America? There are plenty of us out there, including me. Universities make it difficult for us so that their community isn’t so biased with a particular race of entourage. African Americans get waitlisted/rejected unless their athletic. It’s sad and I think both races along with all other races should get equal chances from the academic profile without too much of the “background check” accordingly. Hopefully, someone from the political & educational door can try to emphasize this while restoring economic times.”</p>
<p>What are you talking about? There’s a thread saying a black person who scores an 1100 is equal to a white that scores a 1410. It is easier to get into many top schools if you are a URM. Look at the UM cases.</p>
<p>“It’s sad and I think both races along with all other races should get equal chances from the academic profile without too much of the “background check” accordingly.”</p>
<p>I agree. And as long as schools are able to give special consideration to racial diversity, this won’t happen.</p>
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<p>Oh yeah Tiff, I missed it. Thanks for pointing it out. But I heard those are just truly near or great athletes or have something unique behind them.</p>
<p>"Do you even understand what I’m talking about? I’m talking about how we can reduce competition so it is not too competitive. I have been able to seen the differences of how difficult is it to get into college compared to the past. I’m sorry, but I hope next time when you come here, you can think about what you’re going to say before saying it. Calling someone mediocre based on concept written isn’t very smart either. "</p>
<p>I stand by my post! You want to get into a top college even though you can’t compete with other applicants.</p>
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<p>tomofboston, if you really understood the whole discussion/debate, why don’t you elaborate your side of the thoughts on competition?</p>
<p>More applicants + fixed number of spaces = more competition = higher admission standards. Top schools look at the whole person: grades, test scores, activities and choose the best applicants to benefit from their school. They also seek racial/cocial/economic diversity. </p>
<p>Expanding enrolment to “give everyone a chance” at University of X is one factor that has led to the decline of many publicly funded universities.</p>
<p>So I’m going to finally assume that we can’t do anything about the population to make it less competitive right?</p>
<p>obama is not a senator</p>
<p>I agree actually.</p>
<p>Learning is good. Competition is good. Somehow I don’t think the two should mix.</p>
<p>Well, we could always follow China and have the one-child policy. Population won’t increase too quickly, so there would be fewer high school grads each year applying to colleges. But then again, I would rather have the college admissions competition than have such a law.</p>
<p>Seachai, sorry that you could only get accepted into a community college, but that is the way it is.</p>
<p>You need to wake up and face the facts of the reasons why the Harvards of the world are as good as they are.</p>
<p>There is a ticket waiting for you to fly to Cuba - maybe a communist evironment is a little better for your tastes.</p>
<p>Your pure stupidity in saying that only Afro-Americans that are **good athletes **get into the best schools like Harvard is a little scary, and frankly, racist. About 9%, or 600 students, of Harvard’s undergraduate class are black. About 9%, or 381 students, of MIT’s undergraduate population is black - do you think that they are at MIT because they are good athletes?..No, they are there because they are among the brightest students in the country in the Math, Science and Engineering fields.</p>
<p>Here is a website that might interest you before you fly off to Cuba:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.wikihow.com/Be-a-Communist[/url]”>http://www.wikihow.com/Be-a-Communist</a></p>
<p>please stop your nonsense.</p>
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<p>I love how purely ignorant kids like you make an assumption out of someone else in order to create further truculence and garbage talk. Personally, since you were the smart person to even make the even the odds, I suggest you bring your digression to somewhere else before you embarrass yourself further by making another fallacious premonition. I got into a four year university. If I was stupid like you to even make it to a community college in the first place, I wouldn’t have brought up such prolonged political & economic recreation to just satisfy my own opinion. ■■■■.</p>
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<p>Why do I need you to tell me something obvious? Is it because you needed to point out something new in order to ratify such a concept that someone is trying to ask with some favoring thoughts from a community? I appreciate that you’re trying to intellectually satisfy the theory by releasing your anger, but I don’t think that’s a good way to go. Your statistics may somehow sound accurate, but I personally don’t think there would be a large population of whites in the top colleges if the community was full of African Americans and non-whites. Take a look at schools like Rice and Duke: Do you really think there are many non-whites taking part of those prestigious institutions? How many people of that race are athletes? How many people among the black and white races are intellectual? Please, from one or two comments on the previous page, it’s already been proven that background check is ubiquitious in the admissions other than academic profile. That’s why these schools aren’t biased and like to have most of the non-white athletes recruited.</p>
<p>Those 8-9% of the student body that you pointed out is decent, but isn’t big compared to the other races accepted into the schools. </p>
<p>I wouldn’t mind continuing the conversation, but I would like to stop right here before another “■■■■■” like you come over and start pesturing.</p>
<p>–Ignoring JohnAdams12 :)</p>
<p>@Seachai:
Do you even know the meaning of half the words you are using?</p>
<p>You sent this to me in a PM for some obscure reason when it should be posted here (doesn’t really reveal any personal information or anything private that can’t already be inferred from this thread):
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<p>I think that some standardized measures are necessary, especially when considering transfers to prestigious schools. There’s no easy way to determine if the rigor of your CC matches that of a top educational institution. It’s likely assumed that it does not. Not all “college work” is the same. At a top university, you not only have to be able to do college work, you have to be able to do it with excellence (in theory). There is likely a huge difference between taking some gen. eds. at a CC and participating in an engineering program at MIT. We can’t have people getting into top schools just because they got a 4.0 at Bob Jones Community College. SAT score is not the sole factor in admissions in any case, nor does it seem highly important at the level of top institutions (you have to do other significant things to differentiate yourself). I don’t think SAT is considered that much in transfers anyway. I imagine that it is simply just difficult to transfer into a top college all-around. If they did not use the SAT, they would have to replace it with some other standardized measure.</p>
<p>Why couldn’t you have just told me that without trying to make it sound like a fight like JohnAdams12 did? If I PM someone, there’s always a reason for it. This is why I hardly make threads on CC. I can only give you little respect.</p>
<p>You initiated this thread, and one of the things you mentioned was removing standardized testing requirements (in public). I see no reason to diverge that into a private discussion. I don’t know what you mean by “making it sound like a fight.” Your reasoning appears to be flawed, and I can certainly point that out without any feelings of aggression on my part.</p>
<p>So what if I decided to not make the question public? You don’t need to logically make it sound absurd. My reasoning has been straightforward. There wasn’t a time when I ever can’t distinguish my flaws around the thread.</p>