Literally all colleges that have football have more women’s teams than men’s teams and men’s teams usually have less scholarships than similar women’s teams.
I like how UTexas masks teams disbalance on their web site
Stanford’s top recruit had offers from: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Ole Miss, and Tennessee. Their #2 had offers from Florida, Georgia, Texas A&M, Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky LSU, and Ole Miss. Stanford is tied at #14 for the most players in the NFL. Ahead of team like Michigan, Texas and Nebraska.
For recruits seeking a degree from an elite university, Stanford, Northwestern, and Duke often compete for the same athlete.
Of course, Vanderbilt, UC-Berkeley and Notre Dame are also among the nation’s most prestigious schools with big-time D-I football programs. Michigan and the University of Washington as well. UCLA is another elite academic university which belongs to a Power 5 conference (Notre Dame as an Independent in football is not a member of a Power 5 conference).
It will be interesting to update the revenue by university contained in my post #170 above for FY 2020 & FY 2021. Lots of revenue from ticket sales and concessions will be lost.
Presumably TV revenue/sponsorship losses may exceed those. Not sure how the TV contracts work but I wouldn’t expect the same TV revenues with fewer games. Not sure bowl games will happen this season (outside the playoff games and maybe a few of the other top/big money games – such as the Rose Bowl). Will advertiser dollars still be there at same levels? Sponsorships in stadium the same with either no fans or fraction of capacity?
I think a Fall season is going down the drain. 75% no football.
Wait a second. You forgot Tulane, aren’t they “elite”? :grimace:
Poewr 5 may break from NCAA. Stage its own fall sports championships (other than football).
https://www.si.com/college/2020/08/01/power-5-exploring-staging-own-fall-sports-championships-2020
Other than the health insurance, it is. For power 5 conferences and some of the other D1 schools, scholarship football players (usually 85) get tuition, room, board, fees, books, and a stipend (usually around $5000). All travel to sporting events is paid, uniforms provided, snacks for travel, medical care through trainers and team docs.
In the PAC 12, any student who competes through sophomore year can return and finish a degree with tuition paid (or the amount of their prior scholarship). Yes, Christian McCaffrey who makes $16M per year can return to Stanford to finish his degree without having to pay tuition.
I think most D1 football and basketball scholarship students are getting more in benefits than they would playing professionally. A co-worker’s son played professional basketball in Europe after going to a D1 school. He made about $800/mo as a pro but I’m sure his scholarship was worth $40k per year even 30 years ago. What would a college pay players?
Some issues are still in litigation & some issues may not yet be “ripe” for litigation with respect to benefits given to D-I scholarship football & basketball players.
A recent ruling (a few months ago) held that the educational benefits for these players could be unlimited and could NOT be limited by the NCAA.
30 years ago in 1990, Stanford tuition was about $14k per year, according to http://2017.padjo.org/assignments/can-viz/stanford-tuition-history.html . Other expenses (not listed) would have been between about $6k (based on college cost inflation) and $11k (based on CPI inflation), for a total of about $20k to $25k per year, not $40k per year. However, $20k in 1990 is equivalent to $39k now by CPI inflation.
The vast majority with no chance of making the top pro leagues would probably get what they get now (scholarships), since it is something that is of relatively low marginal cost to the college, but potentially of high value to the student-athlete (although those who do not graduate or barely graduate with an “easy-major-for-academically-marginal-athletes” would be wasting the opportunity). If they had to be paid cash instead of scholarships, minor league pro pay levels would be the likely expectation.
The tiny number of superstars may be valued at far more than full ride scholarships, though. That would be expected since high level sports valuations are high-Gini.
“Stanford’s top recruit had offers from: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Ole Miss, and Tennessee. Their #2 had offers from Florida, Georgia, Texas A&M, Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky LSU, and Ole Miss”
Stanford’s overall rank was 20 or so, which is good for them, and in their range, they’re 3rd in the pac-12. The best player is ranked 74, then 110, 126. The bulk of Stanford’s class is more the person ranked 318 and had offers fro Georgia Tech, BC, Iowa and Army.
Alabama’s by comparison was ranked 2nd their players and had 9 players ranked ahead of Stanford’s best player, 2, 17, 19, 22, 38, 47, 56, 61, 65.
While the 2021 recruiting cycle is not yet complete, Stanford’s next class is currently ranked #92 or #94. They have a very long way to go, since many recruits have decided to commit early due to the pandemic.
https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2021/all-teams/Football
Stanford had a better 2020 recruiting cycle, finishing in the #20 spot.
Big10 announces football schedule. Games start Sept 3. Two bye weeks per team and open week before conference title game on December 5. Ohio State-Michigan game on October 24.
Big 10 players formed similar group as Pac-12. Big 10 list though seems to be limited to player safety, maintaining scholarships, etc. without references to revenue sharing.
More on football/basketball revenue in colleges here, in a new NBER paper.
They look at revenues in college football and men’s college basketball, writing that in Power-5 colleges, the vast amount of revenue of the programs is earned by these sports (but you knew that).
They dispose of the claim that in these Power-5 colleges and universities, a scholarship is roughly worth what the athlete would have earned if they were paid a salary. It turns out that in professional sports, players unions normally negotiate that about 50% of revenues are paid out as athlete salaries. Do the math, and you discover that Power-5 football players would earn an average of $360,000 a year, and men’s basketball players would earn just under $500,000.
But in professional sports, more valuable athletes are paid more. They calculate that under collective bargaining, the typical starting quarterback would earn $2.7 million and the typical point guard would earn $1.2 million. The lowest-paid football players, reserve offensive linemen and linebackers, would earn a mere $128,000; the lowest-paid basketball players, reserve point guards, would get just under $250,000.
So this notion that Power-5 college football and men’s basketball players are getting the salary that they’re entitled to, in the form of scholarships? No. No, they are not. Even the least valuable among them are woefully undercompensated. They should be paid.
http://users.nber.org/~notom/research/GKNO_ncaa_july2020.pdf
Players opting out.
http://dailyorange.com/2020/08/cooper-dawson-opt-out-coronavirus/
Compensating collegiate athletes in the revenue sports based on their financial worth would take colleges out of the education business entirely with respect to Power 5 football & basketball players and programs.
Clearly, Duke University’s basketball team is little more than a professional minor league training ground for a season based on its “one-and-done” players who have no intention whatsoever of being bothered by academics. Duke’s basketball program simply makes a mockery out of the idea of collegiate amateur athletics.
In several states, the highest paid public employee is the state flagship football coach. (Almost wrote "flag football coach.)
Regardless, I would rather watch semi-pro basketball & football on a college campus than sit through a badminton. golf, bowling, or cricket tournament.
Maybe the SMU football program of old was just several decades ahead of its time.
If college player are treated as pros, they won’t get to go to the college of choice. Nope, the best players in the country would be ‘drafted’ by the worst teams. Off to Presbyterian, Liberty and Incarnate World go the best players. They have the choice to accept their offers or not play.
John Elway may have been bluffing when he wouldn’t play for Baltimore but he didn’t have the option to just go play for another NFL team when he didn’t like Baltimore. Pros go where they are assigned.