I think the number of people on college campuses (or off for that matter) who train at the same level as college athletes (including football players) is very low.
Lots of stupid people are having graduation parties and other gatherings. This is dangerous, and can lead to people, even young people, getting infected and subsequently having heart issues that can be lethal, or that can result in severe restrictions to their lives.
That is why I am not having parties; they’re dangerous and it’s irresponsible to have them. I would feel terrible if I had a party and as a result one of my friends could never bicycle again. I don’t want to be responsible for the death or disability of another person. For the same reason, that is why colleges and universities are not having sports. People can be stupid, but I don’t want to be involved in it, and it looks like colleges don’t want to be involved in it either.
Yes. That’s one reason why I don’t want to get covid, and I don’t want my family or friends to get it. That’s why we wear masks and social distance. I’m a cyclist, my husband is a hiker, my son is a hockey player, many of my friends are cyclists and practice other sports. Sports are an important part of our lives and we don’t want to give them up.
Having been in the gym all my life, ain’t that the truth. 
Well, I hope all the remaining teams in the Big 12, ACC and SEC, are installing no huddle offenses, if they don’t have full-time a no-huddle offense already. Twenty-two players having two very close meetings on the field every 30 or so seconds is not a great idea, if you don’t want to spread Covid.
It’s a subscription based magazine, but ND is definitely holding themselves up as the model CFB program, in terms of handling the pandemic with their football program.
No huddles & no tackling and we will be on the path to a Covid-19 free football season.
Add gloves & plexiglass face masks with no shared water bottles and I think that we may have saved the season.
Just one last detail: Will it be flag football or two hand touch football ?
I’d apply for the job of “hand sanitizer squirter” after each series, as the players come off the field. ?.
The referee or ump would have to use a disinfectant wipe, to wipe the ball, after each down.
ND article seems to be trying too hard to connect the testing positivity rates for football team and students before they came to campus. Numbers are about the same but what they measure are different. Football team tests were over the summer presumably while team was on campus. 12k tests of students were before they arrived back on campus.
Of tests done to date since students have come back to campus, positivity rate is about 4%. Based on relatively few tests run with respect to students, doesn’t look like they are testing for asymptomatic cases yet. Sounds like the entire football team was tested (based on numbers and statement that one of 2 positive tests was asymptomatic). I understand campus is looking to start asymptomatic testing on students.
https://here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/
Students are back on campus (have been for week or so for ND) and more will be arriving across the country in the next couple of weeks. May well impact exposure of football team (and vice versa). Plus practice in pads is just starting. Meaning no contact up to this point. Much different risk analysis before contact.
From Ohio’s Covid press conference today:
Just seems odd the NCAA has no authority over whether the Power 5 plays football.
What I find odd is that the NCAA has canceled all Fall championships, because of the lack of teams (I heard the magic cut off is 50% of teams need to play), but not the CFP Championship.
Without Oregon, USC, OSU, PSU, UMich, Wisco, etc. competing, I personally think it’ll be a championship with an *.
The NCAA does not ‘own’ the CFP Championship playoffs (like they do the other national championships, including March Madness).
The Big 10 Conference earned $781.5 million in the most recent fiscal year with Nebraska receiving about $55.6 million.
Saw these today:
https://www.outkick.com/rumor-six-big-ten-teams-would-play-a-10-game-season-under-new-proposal/
That’s an important article regarding Dr. Ackerman (a leading cardiologist at Mayo) and his opinion wrt myocarditis in athletes, it gives another good perspective.
Per the article it seems like a reasonable approach. Chances of covid causing myocarditis are slim, but it does happen (likely happened to Red Sox pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez who is out for the season). So test everyone for covid (as they normally would). Everyone who tests positive would have to go through a cardiac screening prior to returning to the field. If they don’t have it they don’t have it. Perhaps they should go through multiple cardiac screenings at different times to make sure they don’t have it. Would be costly but nowhere near the cost of not playing.
We’re so focused on the ones that get the virus. What about the vast majority who don’t get it provided you have a structure in place to care for and protect those that do.
Should the Red Sox have shut down because they have a player who got covid and it turned in to Myocarditis? No. He’s one player out of 30 or 40. You remove him from the team, get him all the testing and care he needs. In his case they decided to sit him out for the season, great. No one else on the squad has it. Why shouldn’t they be able to play? The Cardinals had several players infected. They removed them, replaced them and the team goes on.
You don’t know this. Nobody knows what the chance of covid causing myocarditis in a college athlete is. Dr. Ackerman doesn’t know.
According to the article, Ackerman told the Big 12 that team doctors could accurately detect heart problems in athletes, so that athletes who got myocarditis from covid would be prevented from playing, and therefore wouldn’t drop dead from playing football. So far, so good. We don’t want athletes dropping dead.
But what he did not say, and what he cannot say because he doesn’t know, is how many athletes would be prevented from playing, and how long those athletes would have to stop playing.
Apparently, neither Ackerman and the Big 12 think it’s important to prevent athletes from getting the myocarditis in the first place. They only think it’s important to prevent athletes who get myocarditis from dying while playing college sports, and they believe (apparently correctly) that they can prevent this.
There’s no thought that holding college sports will cause some athletes to get myocarditis, and have to stop playing sports or exercising for months, potentially for a year or more, maybe for their entire life. The Big 12 is willing to sacrifice an unknown number of athletes in order to get the football and basketball revenue. Feh.
That points to a longer article in https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2020/08/how-a-cardiologist-may-have-saved-the-college-football-season.html which says:
Ackerman’s not an epidemiologist, and he’s overstating his case.
You can’t assume use the German study to infer that 60% of young healthy adults would get myocardial inflammation. That was always obvious. But you can’t say the study tells us nothing, either.
We learn that some people get myocardial inflammation from covid. We learn that you don’t have to be hospitalized to get myocardial inflammation, and indeed in the German study the severity of the disease did not predict whether you’d get myocardial inflammation; people who weren’t hospitalized were equally likely to be affected.
I’m really not seeing the Get Out of Jail Free card here. We know that the rate of heart problems from covid for young adult athletes is bigger than zero, and smaller than 60%. We know that with careful testing of all athletes, to detect covid, and careful testing of students who are positive, to detect heart abnormalities, we can assure most students won’t die of covid-induced heart problems while playing college sports. That’s enough to start sports? We don’t know how bad it will be, but it might not be very bad, that’s a justification?
I guess it makes sense, if you don’t believe that playing intercollegiate sports will up the chance of getting covid in the first place. I don’t know why anyone would believe that.
(Don’t know how to use the quote function for a specific paragraph, sorry) 2 points:
- You're right I don't know, you don't know, the Dr. doesn't know the chances of covid causing myocarditis. That falls in the category of hundreds or thousands of other things we collectively don't know. Why would we assume that it does? Why would being a football player and getting covid cause myocarditis more than being a non-football player and getting covid causing myocarditis. You seem to link football with myocarditis.
- Isn't the myocarditis issue about a potential outcome of covid, not football. I see two separate issues here: chances of getting covid , and dealing with it including treating someone who's contracted covid created myocarditis. Are football players more likely to get covid? Hard to say. If they're testing negative and are staying in the college form of the bubble and are symptom free and are getting ongoing testing and are immediately removed /isolated if testing positive. If they happen to get covid, they should ABSOLUTELY be required to have cardiac screening to make sure they don't have any issues.
I’m not suggesting they risk playing with a heart inflammation (myocarditis). Have them screened and sit out if they have it.
I would think it would be more dangerous for a non-athlete (nowhere near the physical shape, heart health, etc.) who gets covid (and would likely never get cardiac screened) who then exerts themselves via normal exercise. They could be easily operating with myocarditis without knowing and therefore without taking any physical precautions. This group represents millions of people.
This isn’t a “two wrongs don’t make a right” scenario. If the active athlete is properly cardiac screened with negative results, how are they risking anything?