College response to terrorism in Israel

No problem, I will renew my prediction. Things will get worse on college campuses in the future, too.

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Wasn’t Berkeley home of the free speech movement back in the day?

define “free”. hahahaha

I guess that would be “free speech” as long as it’s aligned to certain narratives :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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winner, winner, chicken dinner

So apparently, campus police decided that the anti-Israel protesters disrupting and drowning out an Israeli physics prof’s lecture about black holes were simply engaging in “free speech”, not to be interfered with, so they instead cancelled the lecture and walked the prof out.

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What does this mean?

According to the email, the eight students, “seeing no other way to have their voices heard, will subject themselves to an indefinite period of starvation.”

I thought hunger strikes run to the earlier of death or getting what is wanted. I guess that can technically be “indefinite”, but if you’re doing it right, there is a better way to put it as being definite: death or change. Does this mean that there will come a point at which the student will evaluate whether they’ve taken it far enough? If they’re serious, they might want to take a look at what a real hunger strike is all about:

It’s not about getting to a point where you’re blood glucose level is low and then you eat to keep anything permanent from happening to you. Some of the quotes in the piece seem to leave some wiggle room for how far this will go.

Will be interesting to follow this one through and see how long it lasts.

The article shared a few posts above was from last week.
Below is an update from 2 days ago -

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“In 1978, the dispute escalated into the dirty protest, where prisoners refused to leave their cells to wash and covered the walls of their cells with excrement.”

Don’t give them and ideas. Not that they don’t have some ideas of their own.

Somewhere in GB, there is a dead IRA hunger striker rolling in his grave over these kids calling their protest a hunger strike.

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"It’s said that civilization was founded the moment a man flung a word at his enemy instead of a spear. On our most elite college campuses—most recently, the University of California, Berkeley—the plan seems to be to unfound it. …

It should not come as a great surprise that many in the “words are violence” set resort to actual violence when it comes to speech that upsets them—they lack respect for the liberal clash of ideas that the ancient Greek philosophers popularized and that has characterized Western society for centuries, if not longer. …

Contrary to what many students—and embarrassingly too often, grown adults—argue, violence, heckling, and shutdowns of events are not free speech, but its hideous and counterproductive opposite. …

Behavior that is rewarded gets repeated. If students that flagrantly and proudly violate the norms of free inquiry, open discourse, and freedom of speech on campus are not disciplined, the inevitable consequence will be even less hesitation to do it again.

Campuses must have the highest tolerance for opinion and expression, but no tolerance at all for violence."

From Greg Lukianoff and Angel Eduardo at the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE)

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Here’s today’s letter from UCB Chancellor Carol Christ giving an update on the university’s response: Responding to the events of Feb. 26 | Berkeley

all talk.

It may be “unacceptable” but that does not mean the campus police will stop a similar demonstration in the future.

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It’s difficult when the campus is in an urban area and some of the most troublesome activists aren’t university students (I know some of the local activists personally… sigh).

I hope they are able to make some progress, though.

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it’s not difficult to arrest people. And if they are not University students, they are trespassing in addition to creating havoc. Just gotta have a will to do so.

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It’s all talk.

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