<p>Welcome CH1836 and Andie. I don’t know anything about RWU. I agree with RVM that Bucknell and Lehigh are more for A students. F and M might be possible for a B+ student, especially ED. F and M and Lehigh have substanstial Jewish populations, and should have active hillels. I think Bucknell has a smaller Jewish population. We did a quick stop at Bucknell a few years ago on the way home from camp. The campus is beautiful and serene, but it’s in a very small town in the middle of nowhere.</p>
<p>I’m not sure what you’re looking for, but schools in that area that might be better for “B” students are Dickinson, Muhlenberg and Susquehanna.</p>
<p>As usual, this thread is filled with so much thoughtful and helpful information. Thank you all!</p>
<p>Just wanted to add my impression is that Dickenson is potentially also for more of a B+ (or higher) student. Their applications are up quite a bit this year.</p>
<p>Speaking of evangelical Christians…guess who came to my door today to read me a scripture!! No thank you. My town is 50% Jewish. Sure they didn’t get a very welcome reception.</p>
<p>chocchip, S is a jr. not sure what I am more frightened of, the SAT this weekend or his turning 17 and getting his license!!</p>
<p>Welcome to all the other newbies on the thread. i joined a month ago and i can tell you the people here are the best. stick around for a while.</p>
<p>thanks for posting the article on Elon and AEpi. My S is very excited about this. It was the one thing missing from our checklist and now it is complete. What a great thing to be a part of a new fraternity. Based on S’s experience with AZA he very much wants to be a part of this. We are very much looking forward to meeting Mason and Garret on our visit, as well as Nancy.</p>
<p>MHC: thanks for posting…hope this can get off the ground this time (and maybe AEPhi, or SDT won’t be far behind)…</p>
<p>re: Lehigh, Bucknell and F&M…the first two are more for “A” students but we do know of kids who are there that were honors/AP across the board that were more like B+ students but with the grade deflation at our public HS, this would put them well within the top 15 % of their class…</p>
<p>F&M: very different story; they take 85% of their class ED…and have a VERY high acceptance rate ED…we know low “B” students there that did not submit SAT/ACT scores…but this is a perfect example of a school that is much more rigorous once you are in than it takes to be admitted…my younger daughter’s GC put it this way to her: “you can be admitted, but I’m not sure if that’s the right place for you to be…” and from what she has heard from older kids, it is not a supportive environment but more of a pressure cooker for high achieving pre-med, pre-law etc type kids…</p>
<p>We are all looking forward to our weekend in NC for Elon orientation…of course, I will report back with anything pertinent to this thread…</p>
<p>Forgot to add: RWU: I know a number of Jewish kids there who love it; I don’t know alot of details though…both are/were involved with Hillel…</p>
<p>PRJ, I also think that this article is interesting but I am concerned about the insidiousness of this approach. It kind of reminds me of what we talked about many posts ago at the Air Force Academy.</p>
<p>Levirm,while I would not necessarily favor this sort of thing, the problem with the Air Force situation was different. There, superior officers at the Academy were pressuring or certainly at least, appearing to pressure, junior officers/students to engage in religious worship or study or fellowship. Superior officers have the ability to affect grades, recomendations for specialties and eventual deployment: in a sense the officers entire career. It’s a lot different if a fraternity brother who has and can have no influence on a student’s future advocates religion. It’s unclear who organized these meetings, but even if they were organized or encouraged by an outside group, that group would have no direct negative effect on students grades or job placement who chose not to participate. Moreover if it rises to an uncomfortable or unacceptable level, a student can become inactive in the Frat with no real consequences.
How different is it than if someone stood up at a AEPi meeting (or Pong Fest) and said, “Hey guys, how about we all head over to the Hillel next Thursday night? They’ve got a class there with food afterwards and maybe some cute girls from SDT”</p>
<p>RVM, forgot to mention, I am reading Bread Givers. I pulled out my copy from my Jewish American Writers course I took at Amherst back in 1984!! It was fun to see my maiden name written and the date in it. It made such an impression that I have kept the book all this time and I am thrilled to read it again.</p>
<p>Yabe, the book deals with the “jewish ghetto” on the lower east side that we discussed a few pages back. I think most of us on those posts were thinking of the ghettos during medieval times and the Holocaust, but we have to remember what our early immigrants experienced here.</p>
<p>Enough for this thread, will save it for the Modern Jewish Book Club thread listed in the Parent Cafe.</p>
<p>The national Hillel website - which we all acknowledge is not kept up-to-date, shows 300 Jewish students - which is a little under 10%. Have no idea how accuarte that number is today.</p>
<p>Here’s in interesting tidbit about Roger Williams (the man) and the history of Jews in Rhode Island:</p>
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<p>They do have a Hillel - but the webpage has not been updated in years:</p>
<p>PRJ - the Bible study thing makes me very uncomfortable. It seems like something that could easily become very divisive and exclusionary within the fraternity. Particularly if the majority of students start participating and a few are left out.</p>
<p>Re the Air Force dicsussion we had back when - my young cousin left to go to the Air Force base in Houston last week. We’ll see how that goes.</p>
<p>I do consider these to be “A” student schools, for the most part. Our large hs Naviance shows that students with at least a 4.2 wgpa and a 1300 SAT or 30 ACT were accepted at Dickinson and F & M.</p>
<p>Bucknell was harder to predict. The average accepted student had a 4.1 wgpa and a 27 ACT - but I think that is skewed by a few ED admits and some other lower admits - guessing those are recruited athletes. The national Naviance data shows a 29 average ACT. But - admissions at Bucknell seems much harder to predict - there are identical data points that are accepted and wait-listed. I would actually say Bucknell is the toughest admit of the 3.</p>
<p>I would only consider them for a “B+” student if ED was in the picture - don’t think the typical B+ student would have much of a chance otherwise - without a hook of some sort.</p>
<p>Notice that several of the 10 entries - College of Charleston, Binghamton, University of Delaware, and University of Tampa - have been on our radar.</p>
<p>If the link does not work the first time - just close it and try it again. Sometimes I get a registration page - sometimes I get the actual article.</p>
<p>I think RVM is right and Bucknell is by far the most difficult of those 3.</p>
<p>Samtalya, thanks; I read the book. It may be a semantic or legalistic small point, but I do not think of the lower east side of NYC as having been a ghetto as no one was forced to live there and there were Italian immigrants right alongside, making it more of a slum area for recent immigrants, who tended to be Eastern European Jews and Italian Catholics at that time. It was certainly a very difficult place to live, as my paternal grandparents experienced, and people left it as soon as they could afford to. World of Our Fathers by Irving Howe is a good nonfiction account.</p>
<p>I see your point, mhc48, and I also see yours, Rockvillemom, about the fraternity evangelizing.
I’m reminded of an incident that happened to my daughter at Penn State. She represented Hillel to a board of students that got together to manage how the religious groups would share space in the chapel, with a goal of having some cooperative and inter-religious activities. As part of that process, each representative gave a little overview of what his or her religious organization did. Most representatives just described their activities, with particular reference to when and how they would need to use the chapel. When it came to Campus Crusade for Christ, they started in with very heavy duty evangelizing - this was to representatives of other religious groups - Jews, Moslems, Hindus, Catholics, some other Protestant denominations, Bahai, you name it. Most of the other students were not happy with this.</p>
<p>The oldest synagogue in America is in Newport. I’ve been there many times and am always awestruck. Talk about being strangers in a strange land. If anyone gets to Newport (which is beautiful) check out the Touro Synagogue.</p>
<p>Boston University is not a school for a b student. I am an alum and on the advisory board for the school of communication. I would say you need about a 3.7+ and 1250 plus on SAT to get in. They have a school of general education that takes a little less to get in to. You have a structured schedule for two years, and then transfer into your desired school for the last two years. I think a 3.4-3.5 might get you in there.</p>
<p>Northeastern is a bit lower than BU in its standards. Not sure of their numbers.</p>
<p>Socaldad: My daughter was accepted ED to the BU College of Communication. It was her first choice starting in December of Junior year, and she didn’t change her mind while we visited many other schools.</p>
<p>I agree that BU and Northeastern would be reaches for a “B” student. I also think that NEU is a bit less selective than BU. BU has a higher acceptance rate, but also has higher average SAT scores. Northeastern appears to be more generous with merit money. They have been moving up in the US News rankings. It looks like they’re trying to entice some stronger students to attend.</p>