Colleges for the Jewish "B" student (Part 1)

<p>Hi - I can’t imagine any Jewish student would take offense at your son studying German. On studying abroad - many Jewish students/adults do a Holocaust related study abroad experience - which by definition - involves visiting Germany. I have yet to make this trip - but it is on my bucket list. </p>

<p>Look at it this way - how many Jewish people drive Mercedes? I just don’t see an issue here. Jewish students are sensitive when it comes to anti-Semitic comments or actions - but studying German or visiting Germany - I don’t see it as a cause for concern.</p>

<p>pamom59 - thanks for linking the sports mgmt programs from UMDCP and Delaware. The Maryland one is what he does not want - it is really a BS in Kinesiology - lots of health-related courses. The Delaware one is a much better option - more business focused. Delaware is having their summer open house programs on July 16th and 23rd - so I may bring it up again. But if he likes JMU better - so be it. I do also like the look of the South Carolina program - so maybe we can add that to the list.</p>

<p>mdcissp - did you see this thread from last year on the Towson forum:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/towson-university/976847-question-about-freshman-class-schedule.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/towson-university/976847-question-about-freshman-class-schedule.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I don’t know if this helps you at all - but it seems your son’s experience it fairly typical and that it will be better in future semesters.</p>

<p>Did you see this page on the Towson website?</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.towson.edu/academicadvising/infoforfreshmen/index.asp[/url]”>http://www.towson.edu/academicadvising/infoforfreshmen/index.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>So - from what I can tell - nothing is “wrong” per se - this is how Towson does the fall semester for freshmen.</p>

<p>smile12157, I took German. My older D may well be taking German in college. I’ve never run into anyone who found my speaking German offensive.</p>

<p>As for your best friend, who says he won’t spend money in Germany: how old is your friend? That’s a very common feeling among those who lived through WWII, either as teens or children. Nowadays, not so much. The Germans have been very open about their history, and have apologized with words, deeds, money and education. </p>

<p>RVM, I remember being stunned on my first trip to Israel 30-some years ago at all of the Mercedes limos on the road being used as Tel Aviv-Jerusalem taxis. Israel was getting a great deal on them as part of war reparations. :slight_smile: And remember a decade or two back, when the Japanese car companies were meekly going along with the Arab economic boycott against Israel? If I’d have needed a new car at that point, I’d have bought a German vehicle instead of a Japanese one. Even US car companies have anti-semetic dirt in their histories–Henry Ford was a right b<em>st</em>rd of an anti-semite.</p>

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<p>Exactly - I have read that - about Henry Ford. And you are right about the age of the person as well. My father always wanted a Mercedes - but would not buy one until he felt it was “safe” - in that anyone who was a Nazi party member would be either deceased or infirm. He finally bought his Mercedes a few years ago!</p>

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<p>I knew the Mercedes issue was over when I moved to NJ and met Holocaust survivors driving them…</p>

<p>smile: I am actually surprised about the Germany conversation; like RVM, it is on my bucket list ( along with another 100 destinations around the world lol in my dreams)…</p>

<p>RenMom: welcome to the “other side”…please feel free to ask away after you catch up…</p>

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<p>Smile, I appreciate your sensitivity, but would not be concerned about it.
Having worked for a German company and lived there briefly, I have a more mixed view than Slithey about the extent of their apologies being sincere: for example, the nuclear weapons programs of both Iraq (before the Israelis destroyed the reactor) and Iran relied heavily on German technology. There is also a tendency to try to pin the Holocaust on a much smaller group of people than history show were in support of it and a tendency to regard US support of Israel as driven entirely by Jewish financiers. I did, however, meet many Germans I liked very much.</p>

<p>As Slithey notes, the Japanese government has historically cared only about oil and has denied its war crimes in China and elsewhere while portraying itself as the innocent victim of US policies.</p>

<p>Mdcissp, I understand your frustration, but respectfully suggest you not let this one bad Towson experience drive your son to the community college. I think he will gain more benefit from Towson, in such areas as academic rigor, residential living, meeting kids from different states and a larger community of similar kids.</p>

<p>Smile, the German language is…a language.
Around here, no one has apparently taken offense at the fact that the Pitt alma mater is to the tune of the German national anthem. (Well, maybe no one has noticed except for me! :slight_smile: )
It was a piece by Haydn before it was the German national anthem.
Just like German was a language before the Nazis took power.
On visiting, though, you have to understand that many of us have heard from parents and grandparents how horrible people in many countries were (or are) to Jews, and how they would never set foot in that country (again, usually, after living there under persecution). Jews have been kicked out of most countries in Europe and the Middle East at one time or another. When they invite us back, it is not because they love us by any means. It is because they think we are good for the economy!</p>

<p>On a related, but lighter note, I remember my grandmother, who fled the pogroms in Russia, being horrified when one of her grandchildren named a child Nicholas: “Why would she name her child after the Czar who encouraged people to kill us!”</p>

<p>smile12157</p>

<p>There are very few Germans left who had any part in the Nazi era. My German friends, who are the same age I am, 62, were of course born after the war, but they are extremely remorseful about what happened during those years. </p>

<p>Years ago, in 1969, I spent a summer working in a restaurant on Helgoland, an island in the North Sea belonging to Germany. The Helgolanders are Frisian speakers and had some unhappy experiences during the war, like being conscripted into the German army and having to evacuate their islands so that a U-Boat base could be built. I never heard an offensive comment from any of them. However, a fellow student, who worked in a restaurant on the German mainland, did overhear some ‘unreconstructed’ veterans make comments he found disturbing but not specifically antisemitic. That generation has nearly all passed away.</p>

<p>Most Germans are well disposed towards Americans and Israel. However, throughout Europe there are some on the radical left whose pro-Palestinian bias is tinged with antisemitism. There are also some neo-Nazi gangs, especially in the former East Germany. Personally, I think the leftist prejudice is worse in France and Britain, where there is unfortunately also some endemic antisemitism among other groups who ought to know better better considering the many contributions Jewish people have made in those countries.</p>

<p>Germans appreciate it when a foreign visitor makes an effort to speak the language. It is a fun language to learn, and to an English speaker an unintentionally funny language.</p>

<p>I have often wished that I had learned French, but my brother and his wife, who were fluent French speakers after two years in the Peace Corps in Senegal, found that people in France would pretend to misunderstand whatever they said. A French Canadian friend vowed never to return to France after so many people told him he could not speak French, his native language. This only shows that there are rude people everywhere.</p>

<p>Not being Jewish myself, I can’t speak directly to your concerns, and to be perfectly honest, in spite of knowing the language and having close German friends, I haven’t been able to rid myself completely of anti-German prejudices common to my generation.</p>

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<p>Yabeyabe - Oh my! That reminds me of being a child and telling my mother that I loved the name “Rosemary” and intended to use that name if I had a girl. My mother informed me that Jewish families do not name their children Mary or any form of Mary. I was quite crushed.</p>

<p>Smile, as you can see, we have infinite choices for potential hang-ups. :o</p>

<p>^^well isn’t that interesting; my mother has/had multiple aunts/cousins named Mary; many of them immigrants from Russia…</p>

<p>yabeyabe: yes, I would find Nicholas odd as well…until my daughter met a kid named “Nick” who is more Jewish than most people she knows…</p>

<p>it is interesting, though, that certain first names are “off limits” even now (derivations of Christoper/Christine), yet others have wormed their way in to the Jewish psyche…(Kate/Catherine come to mind…)</p>

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<p>RVM, LOL, now I’ve got the image of Lawrence Olivier from “Marathon Man” in my head. Is it safe, indeed! :D</p>

<p>Thanks so much for all of your helpful responses to the Towson registration issues. RVM: My son called and was told to call the disability counselor–this did not result in any change of schedule. </p>

<p>I appreciate the article from the New York Times: Clearly, registration is a problem at various colleges and learned that my son needs to be ready to go with his list of courses the second registration opens up.</p>

<p>Tonight we all discussed the registration problem and should our son continue with Towson. We decided that our son should make a list of classes he wants and be prepared to sit in the first week of school to see if he can get a spot. My son sent an e-mail to a professor whose class he really wants to take to see if he can be placed on a waiting list. </p>

<p>All my cyber friends here were very kind and your advice is being listened to. Many thanks again to everyone! We will give Towson a try this semester and hope for the best.</p>

<p>Seeing classes available and not being able to get a spot because of a computer glitch was so frustrating! Hope everyone here has better luck at their schools.</p>

<p>levirm - LOL- your post caused me to google the Pitt Alma Mater and found this link [YouTube</a> - ‪Pitt Alma Mater PMGC‬‏](<a href=“- YouTube”>- YouTube)</p>

<p>amazing how the same tune can sound so different!</p>

<p>rvm- we are attending the July 16 openhouse at UDel maybe we’ll see you there!!</p>

<p>smile, I don’t think kids will take offense. Germany is in fact less overtly anti-Semitic than most if not all of the other countries in Europe at this point. That doesn’t mean, as yabeyabe says, that the apologies are totally sincere. They do try to distinguish between the evil Nazis and the unwitting others, when a book called like Hitler’s Willing Executioners (see <a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/03/09/bsp/hitler.html[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/03/09/bsp/hitler.html&lt;/a&gt;) makes a very strong case that the support for and direct complicity with the Holocaust was much, much broader. </p>

<p>When I’m in Europe (which I am many 6 to 15 times a year, I’d guess), I rarely tell people I’m Jewish. I was being taken out to dinner in Munich by people around 40 or younger at my client. In response to an issue in the paper, one of the diners expressed frustration about always having to bend over backwards for the Jews (or Israel, can’t remember which). “We’ve already been through this so many times.” </p>

<p>I see something in the fastidiousness of the people and their preciseness, even the precision with which they cut their food before eating, that makes the Final Solution plausible. Other Eastern European nations were really anti-Semitic as well (e.g., Poland) but they wouldn’t have been organized enough to plan to extinguish an entire group and get so far along the way to executing the plan. So I find Germany a harder country to visit than many others, but I think there is much greater overt anti-Semitism elsewhere.</p>

<p>pamom. We will also be at july 16th delaware day. While we have already seen the school, my d is having her formal interview, and she wants to go back.</p>

<p>Does Delaware require formal interviews?</p>