<p>What do you know about Oxford at Emory? Are the students in it considered second class citizens at Emory?</p>
<p>It all depends on how much of a city experience he wants. My daughter wanted NYC, looked at Wagner and thought it was way too far from the city - train, boat, bus to get there. All of those other schools you mentioned are a long train into the city, and by no means, city schools. My daughter loved the Fordham Rose Hill Campus, which is still a train ride into manhattan. but was the best of two worlds, beautiful traditional campus but close to Manhattan. They are not very generous with financial aid, which is why she had to turn it down. The Lincoln Center school is right in Manhattan and is a vertical campus. From what I heard, that is where the Jewish population is (of Fordham). We visited Montclair, Hofstra - felt very NJ to us (of course they are in NJ) . NYU offers very little aid and it is listed as one of the top schools with the largest student debt upon graduation. Pace is expensive, but very generous with financial aid and scholarships. Their business school has a pretty decent reputation according to folks I have spoken to that have hired their grads. Actually it is a good thing my daughter turned down Fordham last minute, because she changed her intended major to Environmental Studies and Fordham doesn’t offer it. She was offered Pace’s honors college which gives her good money, a free computer, along with perks. It is also a few blocks from NYU, so if there is not a good Hillel at Pace, hopefully she can get involved at NYU.</p>
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<p>My neighbors (not Jewish) went there. Both were from Long Island. She’s a CPA, he’s a bond broker. They really liked the school Agree, it’s not in Manhattan, but it is on Staten Island, which is technically one of the five boroughs of NYC.</p>
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<p>You’d actually say ON Long Island (like, above, ON Staten Island). Hofstra is actually IN Hempstead and I believe Adelphi is IN Garden City. Just don’t want you to sound like a tourist if you come to visit :)</p>
<p>When I was selecting a college for myself (eons ago), one of my criteria was to have access to a city but not be in it. I ended up at Northwestern, just outside of Chicago. It was great that it was there - and I went downtown a few times (shopping, Cubs games, pizza), but not as much as I thought I would. Based on your D or S, you might want to weight the “be in a city or near a city” accordingly when selecting a school.</p>
<p>Linymom, thanks for clarifying the correct “lingo” for LI ;).
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<p>Hofstra is “in” Long Island (I still prefer to say “on” Long Island). It is not in NJ.</p>
<p>RE: NYU --it’s true, don’t rule them out based just on stats. If the kid has an interesting profile, they may have a shot. The program you’re thinking of is the Liberal Studies Program (LSP). not so much a remedial program as an overflow program and it seems that the kids that get admitted in to the program have demonstrated strengths, particularly in writing/critical thinking areas, but other gaps in their profile. You can’t apply in to the program - you apply in to a specific NYU school and then they divert some apps in to the LSP program.</p>
<p>D applied in to the Global Liberal Studies program and was admitted in to LSP. She was 3.4 UW/3.7W GPA with very high spots in writing/English/Social Science, strong EC’s and very low spots in math (including 2 years of C’s in Geometry & Algebra, ouch) She did not end up enrolling but was thrilled to get in.</p>
<p>Lots of ideas. Thank you. </p>
<p>So if we do take a trip from SoCal to the east coast and we want to visit 6 or so schools IN NJ and ON LI (tee hee) and also Manhattan, how might we realistically narrow the list? S is okay with a train ride of no more than an hour to get into his beloved NYC. We are somewhat limited by cost and GPA but never by imagination! SUNY Purchase looks great for S’s liberal arts aspirations. Is Rutgers really do-able with a 3.1 cumulative GPA? </p>
<p>Personal statement and an interview, if some of these colleges even look at his application, would be the clincher. S is poised and personable, has some decent ECs and is wondering if /how to mention in his essay that he has an older brother (20 years old) with Down Syndrome whom he adores and credits with teaching him about what’s important in life. Whew. Sorry this turned into a grab bag of everything!</p>
<p>We were in something of your position, calv1n, in March. We took a trip from Wisconsin to the NYC area. My D was looking at theater schools, and we mixed going to plays with seeing schools.</p>
<p>She had already determined that when it comes to Manhattan, she would rather be outside the city, but close. Other cities she doesn’t mind being in, but Manhattan is too much for her. She’d been there on vacation a few years ago. We thought we’d go walk around schools like NYU and Pace, but once we were in the city she stuck to that feeling and wouldn’t even look at them.</p>
<p>Before we left I made her a list of about 15 schools that were around the periphery, that all had theater programs she could be interested in. Then it was her job to look at the websites and pick out the schools she really liked. From that list, she read further (and I checked on CC) and decided which ones she wanted to do a “real” tour of, and which ones we could just drive through and give a look. I made the tour appointments in advance.</p>
<p>In the end, in our 6 day trip we saw 7 schools, with 3 tours and 4 drive-bys. Jewish life was not a criterion for her, except that she clearly states that she will not go to a church-affiliated school (unless it’s one of those way way back in its history but now not relevant kind of situations). We toured Sarah Lawrence, Wagner, and Adelphi. We drove through Purchase, Drew, Montclair, and Hofstra. She got very good impressions of all of them, certainly more when we did an actual tour/session. She kept several on her list, and dropped others, and we feel that it was a very useful trip.</p>
<p>I thought briefly that we could handle this by train and subway, but I ended up renting a car and it really made it all possible. I was VERY glad I brought our GPS. We stayed in Queens (flew out of LGA) and everything worked really well.</p>
<p>PS - we saw 7 plays, too!</p>
<p>Rutgers (New Brunswick campus) is the main campus. You can get in with a 3.1 instate with decent ACT/SAT scores (probably a high match with a 3.1 and very good scores). I don’t know if it is easier or more difficult from OOS. I would think that Rutgers would love the OOS tuition and coming from CA, your son would offer geographic diversity. My guess is, but I don’t know (post on the Rutger’s board) that they look mostly at just the numbers. Rutgers has other campuses as well, but I would not personally recommend them (ir: Newark, and Camden). I only say that bc of location and housing issues (at least at Newark there were housing issues, although perhaps not for OOS students). Professors who teach at NB, might also teach on the other campuses.</p>
<p>Montclair is a smaller NJ public school, and you could gain admission with a 3.1 and with whatever their midrange SAT/ACT scores are. </p>
<p>Ramapo College is a smaller LAC (also NJ public) and it is probably a 45 minute car ride from NYC (not sure how long the train would take). It is located an upscale suburban area and it feels like country (you might see some horses and lots of greenery in that area).</p>
<p>Try to rule out some of these schools so that you do not have to tour all of them if you come to the NE to tour!!!</p>
<p>If I had to stack reputations of NY are colleges, I would put it at NYU, Fordham, Hofstra, Pace, Adelphi. There are lots of others, but these are the ones I know something about. Also this is my opinion, not necessarily shared by others.</p>
<p>oops, my bad -getting L.I. and NJ mixed up!</p>
<p>Is Hofstra and Adelphi good for Rockville Mom’s son and others in the same boat (B plus, wants Business available, some Jewish kids). Anyone know about Hofstra and Addelphi (quality of Business programs, Jewish life, merit aid)?</p>
<p>I have an older son who applied to Hofstra a few years ago. He was a B+ high school student and got into Hofstra’s honor’s program and he was offered 16,000 in merit aid. The problem was that the financial aid is not good, so if he lost the 16,000 scholarship we would have been in trouble. Additionally, they asked for a climbing GPA to keep that scholarship (3.2 if I remember correctly, by the third semster). My son declined this offer.</p>
<p>I have heard that Adelphi is small and offers some good academic support when needed. We never visited, and don’t know much else.</p>
<p>Another possibility is Manhattan College, but I think this is a Catholic school. I know someone who was very happy attending, but he was not a Jewish student.</p>
<p>mdcissp, both schools are generally known for having many commuters and a majority of kids leaving on weekends. Hofstra just dropped football for that reason. I do not know about hteir business programs.</p>
<p>It is a mystery to me why the NYC area has so many fewer quality schools than the Boston or Philly areas</p>
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<p>Yabeyabe- CCNY is one of the reasons why NY doesn’t have more quality private schools. If it were me (and we are not NYC or NY State residents) I would not pay my EFC for many of the NY area private colleges with Queens, Baruch, Hunter available. SUNY Binghamton or Stoneybrook (not in NYC of course) have stronger departments than many of the privates in the region. I would look long and hard at a place like Adelphi when compared to some of the public options in NYC.</p>
<p>YMMV.</p>
<p>Hofstra is getting a medical school in 2011, so look for it to greatly increase in prestige. I know lots of kids who go to Adelphi and love it. Beautiful campus, near lots of activity, and not as much of a commuter school as you would think.</p>
<p>CW Post is more known for business. I don’t think there is anyplace on LI where you won’t find some Jewish life – some that is.</p>
<p>Hofstra is definitely a cut above both Post and Adelphi and it’s a lovely campus.</p>
<p>The former prez of Williams attended Hofstra so it’s not an impediment to advancement.</p>
<p>They have a law school as well as the coming med school. DD got tons of money for the law school (tier one) but chose CUNY instead.</p>
<p>There is also SUNY Old Westbury and NY Tech in Brookville/Westbury.</p>
<p>Southampton was a lovely school but it went under.</p>
<p>The academics at Stony Brook are very strong, and the newest building is the business school. 150 acres were purchased for businessness and entrepreneurial studies. Two dear women friends of mine (one a Stony Brook Vice Pres) were married there right after the building opened. It was lovely. The Quaker Meeting presided.</p>
<p>Hofstra has been gaining prestige over the years. Frankly, even with a large percentage of commuters, plenty of students are still on campus on weekends. Don’t forget that this is not a tiny school.</p>
<p>I cross posted with mythmom. </p>
<p>mythmom, is CW Post now LIU, or are they 2 different schools?</p>
<p>BTW, you don’t need a 3.8 to get into Fordham. My daughter was accepted with a 3.44 and decent SAT’s 660/550/640. Her stats were too low to offset much of the 53k tuition, room and board, though.</p>
<p>In response to #997 - Long Island University has a number of campus locations. CW Post on Long Island is one of those locations.</p>
<p>For a B student from outside of the tristate area, Hofstra, Adelphi and CW Post are likely to all be a good bet for admission.</p>
<p>I am not sure the the quality of CUNY and SUNY schools has much to do with the paucity of good schools in the NYC area. The CUNY schools have little or no dorm space and minimal campus amenities and Binghamton kids can not ge tto NYC that quickly. OOS kids would not get the full tuition break and would have to have dorms.</p>
<p>In contrast, Philadelphia, a much smaller city an dmuch less of a magnet for kids than NYC, has Haverford, Swarthmore, Bryn Mawr, Villanova, St Josephs and Ursinus, among others, in its suburbs, as well as Penn, Drexel and Temple in the city itself.</p>
<p>Indeed, the Lehigh Valley area of PA–hardly a student magnet or population center–with Lehigh, Lafayette, Muhlenberg and Moravian–has better options than the NYC suburbs.</p>
<p>Near Boston, you find Harvard, MIT, Tufts, Brandeis, BU, BC, etc.</p>