Colleges for the Jewish "B" student (Part 1)

<p>I wanted to offer a quick but hearty congratulations to all of your kids (and you!) with college acceptances! That must be a relief and take just a bit of the pressure off. </p>

<p>With my daughter being a junior, watching and learning from all of you has been SO very helpful. Please promise me you won’t all abandon ship when your kids go to college next year. I WILL NEED YOU!!! :-)</p>

<p>Lots of sleet here in MD today. All sports canceled which will lead to a quiet Saturday- a rare treat these days! Big Halloween party tonight if the roads are clear.</p>

<p>Have a great weekend!</p>

<p>Anyone close enough to plan a trip to University of Kansas next weekend, November 4, there is Rockchalk Shabbat that Hillel puts on. I’ve personally never been but talking to a Hillel board member, they started out hoping for 50 kids, it’s grown to over 600 less then ten years later. I’d go but we’re off for our first audition weekend next week!
[KU</a> Hillel thrives under Lewis? leadership](<a href=“KU Hillel thrives under Lewis’ leadership - Kansas City Jewish Chronicle”>KU Hillel thrives under Lewis’ leadership - Kansas City Jewish Chronicle)</p>

<p>Hi All! </p>

<p>I haven’t posted in a while but have tried to keep up with this thread as much as possible. I wanted to thank everyone for the past year (has it been that long?) of information and general support to all of us going through this process, Jewish or not. Also, a big Congratulations to all of your (too many to name) kids who already have some acceptances - what a wonderful feeling!</p>

<p>I have said it before and it’s worth repeating, that this thread has some of the kindest most sincere posters on CC. Even though I’m not Jewish, I feel a part of your group and I hope all of your kids find lots of acceptances and happiness in the next few months.</p>

<p>As for my darling S2 - he is finally making progress on his apps. He has 3 already submitted and is hitting submit on 2 more today. After that he can work on the ones due mid-November - at least it’s a miserable day here in MD so I’m hoping he won’t complain too much!</p>

<p>Have a great weekend!</p>

<p>Hi all - seconding the miserable weather in MD - good day to work on those 11/1 apps!</p>

<p>dwhite - thank you for your kind words - you are welcome to be an honorary “member of the tribe”! </p>

<p>seiclan - congratulations on UCF! It’s so nice to have that first acceptance.</p>

<p>fourkidsmom - thank you for that article on Kansas - I’m going to paste in the first bit for those who are just skimming and don’t always open links:</p>

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<p>Kansas is still a university that takes me by surprise - I think many east coast Jewish parents believe there are no Jews in Kansas - and don’t realize the Jewish presence at the University.</p>

<p>RVM and 4kids,</p>

<p>As I have been preaching here since April, Kansas is a great choice for B-B- jewish kids. The mid west jews have been flocking there. Soon, East and West Coast will find it. This year, a number of kids are applying there from our high school. I have said, that KU is the new Indiana. Michigan State is another one. Growing jewish population, and aggressively going after the IU constituency.<br>
Kansas has the easier admit policy. They accept 90% of applicants. A 2.5 GPA is basically an auto admit. A good option or safety for those aptly named on the forum headline.</p>

<p>RockvilleMom–Saw your note about URichmond’s new rabbi and their interfaith trip to Israel. D1 went with them and it was WONDERFUL! A very different experience from Birthright or the archeological dig that she had experienced. I just noticed in a URichmond email yesterday that the Rabbi is “calling for applications” for this year’s trip. I urge everyone to apply and if anyone has questions, feel free to private message me. D1 is having a wonderful Jewish experience there. In fact, the study abroadh she is on with them now lead her to High Holiday services at a synagogue in Cochin India that was built in 1600s.</p>

<p>Also want to add some news that I’m not sure you saw re: Wake Forest food service and Jewish style (albeit not kosher) food. Sorry for the long insert here but I cut and pasted the article that D2 sent me from the blackandgold campus news. Thought you’d get a kick out of the reference to College Confidential helping Jewish families find schools where they’d feel comfortable. :)</p>

<p>Food diversity increases with Pit keeping kosher
Posted on October 21, 2011 by Yasmin Bendaas, Staff writer
ARAMARK has taken steps to making minority students more welcome in their dining facilities by by serving religiously conscious foods.
Due to the growing Jewish and Muslim student populations on campus, ARAMARK is bringing kosher, halal and other religion-conscious prepared foods to the Pit, especially during religious holidays.
The word kosher stems from the Hebrew word kosher,meaning right or proper. Kosher and halal foods denote foods prepared according to religious and dietary laws. For meats to be declared kosher or halal, the animals must be killed in a humane manner that does not cause suffering.
“We are valuing people by valuing their traditions,” Chaplain Tim Auman said, regarding this recent movement by ARAMARK to incorporate Muslim and Jewish-friendly food options.
For many students, the impact reaches their families as well. Freshman Shoshanna Goldin explained that her mother used the web-site “College Confidential” to learn more about the activity of Hillel, the Jewish student organization on campus, and Jewish life in general at Wake.
After ARAMARK’s inclusion of Jewish foods, the word is out to possible incoming students.
“[My mother] now leaves feedback so that other students can see what we’re doing,” Goldin said.
According to the WFU Factbook, in 2010 Muslims accounted for 0.6 percent of the undergraduate student population and Jews accounted for 2.6 percent.
However, the number of Muslim and Jewish students has barely increased since 2000, with the population of Muslim students increasing by only 0.3 percent in the past 10 years and the number of Jewish students increasing by 1.5 percent.
Despite remaining a very small minority population, the recent push for considerations of religion in cafeteria meals has not gone unheeded.
One week after the first meeting between the Office of the Chaplain, Hilell, the Muslim Student Association (MSA) and ARAMARK, the food service company on campus, a table was set in the Pit to recognize Shabbat.
The traditional Jewish Friday night festive meal was represented with two cups of grape juice in place of wine, Challah (a traditional, sweet braided bread), and candlesticks.
After a mishap last year, in which many Jewish students were offended to find out the serving of Motzah ball soup on Passover was actually not kosher, ARAMARK has been paying much closer attention to the dietary needs of their religious minorities.
“It was really about a lack of education,” said Goldin, student representative of Hillel in meetings with ARAMARK.
One step that ARAMARK has taken to better collaborate with Hillel include accepting written menus assembled, which Goldin composed by asking Jewish students about their favorite foods often prepared at home.
Several menus have already been submitted pertaining to holiday meal choices.
For example, the traditional apples and honey were displayed and offered at the Pit for Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year.
For Muslim students, ARAMARK has discussed bringing goat in commemoration of Eid Al-Adha.
One day per month after this “kick-off” event, ARAMARK is planning on also bringing halal meat for students. Yet, MSA plans on proposing the representation of halal meats to be once a week.
“It’s a huge deal,” sophomore Muhammad Siddiqui, MSA president, said. “I keep halal. It is a challenge to go to the Pit and have fewer options. It helps me not feel as restricted — I can look forward to that one day I get to eat meat.”
Muslim and Jewish students alike have expressed in their talks to ARMARK that having religiously conscious foods available would make a big difference to their university experience.
“It’s a good gesture from ARAMARK and the school,” Siddiqui said.
Having foods pertaining to religious groups available is not only evident to the Muslim and Jewish students, but to the student population as a whole, which was an important factor.
With religious foods presented in such a central campus location as the Pit, intercultural understanding is promoted among the student population by expanding culinary tastes and exposing others to the traditions of fellow students who comprise religious minorities.
“I think the future of our planet is dependent on how we understand people that are different from us,” Chaplain Auman said.</p>

<p>Aramark is also the dining services provider down the road at Elon; they are extremely receptive and accommodating to many, many groups on campus including provisions for the Jewish holidays, as well as for vegetarian, gluten free, etc dietary needs…</p>

<p>Snow? What snow? It’s sunny and 65 here in Northern NJ…wink-wink…</p>

<p>Dear G-d,</p>

<p>I pray that my S gets in to college south of the mason dixon line. Snow sticking, ice sleet, high winds on october 29. ugh</p>

<p>Just wondering, where is the mason dixon line?</p>

<p>i know that south of the mason dixon line is an expression used, but upon looking up where the line actually is, (pa, wv, md) i realize that is not south enough. need to pray for south of vriginia!</p>

<p>seiclan you have it so good right now in florida; i am envious!</p>

<p>Nevermind, I found it on Wikipedia. Seems a bit high to be safe from snow and ice. Come to Florida!</p>

<p>Cross posted - Yes, we are having a lovely (and unexpected) day today. It was supposed to pour all day (70% chance of rain) but nary a drop since early am.</p>

<p>If we lose power, I’m going to sleep…the lights are dimming and flashing…</p>

<p>creativecrew - thank you so much for posting that! I had not seen it - very cool.</p>

<p>Wires are hanging very low here…Weird to have so much snow when the trees are still so leafy!</p>

<p>In the unexpected warmth of Kansas here. We’ve had some cold days but I just walked and went to the store in a short sleeve t-shirt and I’m usually on the cold end. The day is sunny and great here!</p>

<p>So, when I went into the mall today, it was rainy and cold. Fast forward to my exit, and it’s snowing!
Now I know why retiring to Florida is so appealing.</p>

<p>Has anyone considered the New College of Florida? I would liken it to SUNY Geneseo. It is a CTCL and has a very nice educational philosophy. And it’s in Sarasota!!</p>

<p>New College is a VERY small school. It is a bit more unstructured than many B students can handle. Last I heard, they still didn’t give out grades, just written summaries of a student’s progress. It is also has a kinda bohemian vibe. If your child is an uber liberal, self directed new age “earthy crunchy granola” type, they will love New College of Florida.</p>

<p>Hope everyone is safe and warm.</p>

<p>Wonderful Open House yesterday at Guilford College in Greensboro. A few points:</p>

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<li><p>I finally figured out what fit means. Like an Aha moment. Guilford is about community. I don’t know how to say this diplomatically, so I’ll just say it like this: if you think your student might isolate him/herself, stay in the dorm and study, not reach out for help and your want your student to be in a nurturing enviornment where faculty, staff and other students will reach out and pay attention, Guilford would be a wonderful college for your student. (I’ve visited many other colleges and many say they will do this but this felt different.) Right now, this is very appealing to my daughter. </p></li>
<li><p>For those with math/accounting students: I thought the Forensic Accounting major was very interesting. A few majors focused on “community” including Peace and Conflict Resolution and Community Development and Justice. Seems like most students go on to graduate school. Some talk about careers and preparing for life after college but most of the emphasis was what I consider a traditional liberal arts education with an emphasis on developing excellent writing skills.</p></li>
<li><p>Someone mentioned earlier that Guilford may be a communter school. No. Traditional students are required to live on campus until they have 88 units (senior year) or are 21 years old. Housing is guarenteed for all 4 years and most stay on campus. (They also have a separate Continuting College program for adult students and classes are held in the evenings.) 50% of students are OOS.</p></li>
<li><p>Campus food was excellent and healthy. Vegatables grown on campus. Vegan options. Local emphasis. Lots of sustainabily programs. </p></li>
<li><p>The school did not have a “southern” feel at all. Very open-minded, inclusive feel as is fitting for a college that takes its Quaker roots seriously. Told they are hiring a 2nd professor of Jewish Studies for their Religious Studies Department. The professor of Islamic Studies spoke to my D at length and could not have been more welcoming and caring.</p></li>
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<p>We thought of visiting Elon, which is no more than 30 minutes away but we decided to go shopping instead. :slight_smile: I really wanted to compare the two schools since they are close in size and geography. I’m guessing the philosphy of the schools are quite different.</p>

<p>I’m not sold. We’ll see how my D does this year. Right now, the fit is good. Next year, it may seem a bit claustrophobic.</p>

<p>stillnadine-thank you for the detailed visit report.I love hearing about a good “fit” school for the right kid. Our visit to Elon sounded like this. We had similar concerns about an eventual claustrophobic feel there and in fact some kids we met did feel that way. And you are right-what may be perfect to a hs junior may not be right one year later.</p>

<p>Great summary of Guilford - thank you for that. It would have been interesting had you visited Elon at the same time - I would have liked to see you compare and contrast the two. I think there are plenty of kids who need some support making the transition to college - those who given the option of “sink or swim” - might just sink - but with a little support - think of those floaties little kids wear on their arms - they are swimming independently after a few months. It’s good to know those options exist and there’s nothing wrong in assessing that your student might need a helping hand.</p>

<p>We love Elon for many reasons - but some of the supports they have in place for freshman are particularly appealing - like Elon 101. The 4-1-4 schedule at Elon is also a big draw - thinking that handling the workload of 4 classes at a time is enough - and we love the system of taking a class in January - be it a tough class or a fun one - because I really feel that the 4-6 week break between semesters is such a waste of time for most college kids. Using that time to either take a class or go abroad for a few weeks seems much more productive. We never visited Guilford because it seemed to lack the sports environment that S2 wants - but your description was otherwise appealing.</p>