<p>No, it’s when you control for the intelligence (and other aspects) of the student body that you IN EFFECT sacrifice diversity. Not that hard folks. The more lax these controls are, the more diversity becomes a characteristic because of more random selection. ASU is absolutely more diverse than an Ivy League school, ESPECIALLY because of its large sample size. </p>
<p>Also, self-selection is certainly an issue. Nobody who wants the traditional college experience would choose NYU and hence, you see bdl108 contradicting himself. That’s why Columbia is certainly more hipsterish than Dartmouth - it appeals to a certain type of individual such that “diversity” is kurtotic in this case.</p>
<p>Of course, I give credit where credit is due, and I have always believed that Brown was the most diverse of the Ivies.</p>
Engineering. I was exaggerating a little. But after a certain weekdays are not days with classes, weekends are days without classes and a chance to catch up on work/sleep. Also, I have seen Cooper Art students there at 4am Saturday Mornings. How do you tell who goes to the New School?</p>
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i know, black people are so unintelligent, have you seen how they point at a lamppost and wonder what it is; watching that is like soooooooooooo funny. I think what you meant to say was that as you select for stats like gpa, SAT and EC you sacrifice diversity.</p>
<p>Even better, even better. See, I was a little bit optimistic in my post, thinking that Ivy League schools care about such nebulous traits like “intelligence.” But **** that **** man, it’s all about producing the Anthony Dimeo’s of the future.</p>
<p>Condiments: First of all, I’m not Asian. Second of all, how am I contradicting myself? Not all “normal” kids want a traditional college experience. I didn’t. Does that make me not “normal”? It sounds like you’re implying that NYU students can’t be normal kids because they opted for an urban, campus-less college instead of a bumblef**k grassy campus. Sure (most) Tisch students tend to be more artsy or hipster, and (most) Stern students are more “professional”, but the majority of the NYU student population is “ordinary” college students, even though defining “ordinary” is narrow-minded and wrong. Anyone who goes to NYU should agree with me here. </p>
<p>smilodon: Yes, I am very appreciative and thankful for what I have, even though I know there are those who are far more fortunate than I am. And far less fortunate, too.</p>
<p>You do realize that most of what I said was tongue-in-cheek?</p>
<p>So here’s the SparkNotes version: Self-selection => Low diversity. You said: Many want true urban college experience => Self-selection. What does the transitive property state? Bingo. So what can cause lower self-selection? Perhaps a school with weaker institutional characteristics, like a state university. </p>
<p>Also, Yu sound like you have good parents => Asian? A spelling error…or a deliberate pun? Bad joke, I know. Perhaps this website isn’t ready yet for highbrow humor.</p>
<p>Take it easy man. Have a beer or something.</p>
<p>@AbbyP, sometimes we do need to study during that time, expecially since our school closes at about midnight-2:00am and our school has decided since its free, we have to do work to stay there.</p>
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No, it was me leaving an ‘o’ out of “you”.</p>
<p>@bdl, I wasn’t referring to the amount of money your parents have, but how they handle it.</p>
<p>Condiments: No one’s getting heated here. As far as I’m concerned, this is just a healthy debate for fun. I like debating things, whether meaningless or not. I just try to use CC as a timekiller until I go back to school. Many CCers take what people say way too seriously, but trust me, I’m not one of them.</p>
<p>Anyways, yeah I had figured the Asian thing out prior to my previous post. But I still disagree with your logic regarding self-selection. By your standards, it sounds like everyone is “self-selecting” each university they apply to, and therefore every university lacks diversity because it consists of a student body who choose to attend their school? Doesn’t really make sense to me. Is Cornell not diverse because its students opted to attend college in the middle of nowhere? In NYU’s case, if we were ALL urbanites or hipsters who applied Early Decision to NYU as our top choices, you’d have a point about self-selection; however, most of us applied to different schools too. I can only speak for myself here, but all of the other schools I applied to offered more traditional experiences. Additionally, the non-traditional experience is not always one’s primary motivation for attending NYU. What about academic strength, internship opportunities, etc.? So many factors go into one’s college decision that it’s really pointless to call it self-selection. Maybe I’m contradicting my previous statement, but w/e. I see where you’re coming from, but your argument is quite a stretch.</p>
<p>As an aside, I thought “self-selection” most commonly referred to the notion of the application process itself weeding out candidates? Such as UChicago’s essays? idk…</p>
<p>smilodon: Yeah I figured that’s what you were talking about.</p>