Talk about GIGO.
Data source: publicly-available education data from Linkedin.
Way back when, we used to have a Data Stats professor who used to repeat constantly that self-reported information is not data.
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This is what I found online concerning undergraduate medical school acceptance rates.
Harvard (2023): 85-90%, GPA 3.5+ 92-95%
Yale (2022): 88%, GPA (science/cumulative): 3.85/3.87. MCAT 519
Princeton (2018-2022): 83%, GPA (science/cumulative) 3.62/3.64. MCAT 517
Penn (2023): 83%, GPA(science/cumulative) 3.68/3/75, MCAT 516
Dartmouth (2019): 76-86%, GPA (science/cumulative) 3.56/3.65. MCAT 516
Brown (2021): 81%, GPA science 3.77. MCAT 517
U Chicago (2022): 75.2%
Vanderbilt (2021): 74%, GPA (science/cumulative) 3.55/3.68. MCAT 516
WUSTL (2017-2021): 76%
Johns Hopkins (2020): 65%, GPA (science/cumulative) 3.72/3.76
Michigan (2023): 62%, GPA (science/cumulative) 3.7/3.78. MCAT 513.6
UC Berkeley (2023): 57.1%
UCLA (2019): 51%, GPA science 3.7. MCAT 513.7
Florida: 45%
Rutgers (2023): 41%, GPA (science/cumulative) 3.71/3.78. MCAT 514
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It appears as though the wording of the title may have confused some people. I have changed the title to reflect the original intent. This is about colleges that accept more than 20% of their applicants for undergraduate admissions and that have relatively high percentages of alums who have gone on to med school.
In order not to take this thread off-topic (i.e. about schools with admit rates above 20% that do well in getting their undergrads into med school), I have a different thread where Iâve shared my thoughts:
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Where can we see medical school CDS like we see for undergraduate data?
Thank you so much for compling this list. Very very very helpful
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Any list of great colleges for premeds would be incomplete without XULA. XULA (which stands for Xavier University of Louisiana, not to be confused with the Xavier University in Ohio) is a Catholic HBCU in New Orleans. Just an outstanding place to be a premed:
p.s. if you are wondering about the little white guy in the middle of that pic, it is Dr. J.W. Carmichael, who died this past fall. A real character, if even half of the stories told about him are true 
. But mostly a life exceptionally well lived.
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It would be interesting if the list noted which undergraduate schools used pre-med committees to dissuade less likely pre-meds from wasting their time and money applying to medical school.
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Most places do not provide specific details about their practices. Schools that donât have great acceptance rates donât tend to post them online.
I do not think these exist. But @WayOutWestMom can tell you if/how to get some of the information. What specifically do you want to know?
like how many people applying first timer/gap students/from same undergrad school if they have medical school/how many from early assurance/from post bacc program like that.
@WayOutWestMom do medical schools have a place where you can accurately find this sort of information?
This simply does not exist.
You can find some of what youâe looking for in MSAR but you will need to subscribe to the website to fully access all its data. (Annual subscription is $22)
You will also find some of that information at AMCAS FACTS
And you find the MSQ somewhat helpful, though less than either of the other sources.
But there is no single source for everything youâre talking about.
MSAR does break down MCAT scores and GPA for matriculacting students into quartiles, reports the number of applications received, number of interviews granted, instate vs OOS statuses for interview invites, but it doesnât include anything about undergrad institution attended. Nor does it account for students who applied to DO schools. (AMCAS and ACOMAS do not share data.)
ACOMAS has its own reporting systems and published a limited data set every year or every other year. It doesnât not report undergrad institution attended.
FACTS offer some very limited data about undergrad schoolsâchiefly how many applicants each undergrad supplies in the most recent application cycle. But there is no way to differentiate among, special admission program applicants (BS/MD. early assurance, post bacc linkages), direct-from-undergrad, students with gap years/post baccs or who have applied in multiple application cycles. And application outcomes are not reported.
And again FACTS only reports data about MD applicants, not DO.
In general, med schools tend to hold information about their selection processes quite closely. And different med schools select for different qualities in their admitted students. (Itâs called mission match. Every med school has mission statement and their admission processes will reflect the school values.)
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If accurate, this concerns me as well. With the average GPA being a 3.8, a 3.5 is likely somewhere around the bottom 20th percentile.
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I thought about this more last night and think this data is more valuable than I expected.
- this is final outcome. Yes there may be lots of students who did a gap year, post bac, MPH or research. Yes, there are myriad different committees/hoops to jump through at various colleges. But the FINAL outcome is what matters.
- LinkedIn is probably reflects the outcomes of more recent graduates more than past graduates (ie there are more 30 year olds on LinkedIn than 60 year olds)
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Internal data for students/families with access can look up acceptance rates for different GPA traunches: penn and duke are over 90% for 3.4+, well below the all-student average gpa in arts/sci.
The problem is it is not accurate at all given the AAMC data that is consistent with Duke data that 15% of each undergrad class end up (eventually) as MD or MD/phD, and penn data listing (internally) hundreds a year who matriculate to MD programs in the US. Med school is basically honors pass fail or just pass fail: 99% graduate, the ones who do not choose not to. The vast majority of MD in the US programs have 100% match to residency somewhere. It does not go from 15% to 0.9%.
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We have a friend applying for colleges now who plans on med school. Affordability for undergrad is key of course (single parent will be helping child pay). They have done a few tours and come back to tell me how âxyz school has a great pre med program and sends many kids to med school.â Kid will likely end up at a small regional public that is not even ranked good for health professions in state much less nationally. Parent is banking on child being a Latina female to get them into medical school. I mean, I hope the girl reaches her dream but a bit annoyed at the false hope some of these schools seem to give.
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This is the kind of thing that Iâm hoping this thread can help with. Even if the data arenât perfect, I donât want perfect to be the enemy of the good.
So if this family needs a low-cost option, maybe they would find out that a school like Austin, or Kalamazoo, or Hendrix might end up coming in near the price of their regional public, but one of these schools would be likelier to provide a better preparation for any subsequent medical studies undertaken.
Sadly, not all schools that offer a baccaulaureate offer a high quality of education. Probably most of the low admittance schools do, but theyâre not an option for the majority of kids. So identifying schools that have higher admittance rates, lower net prices, etc, that provide a quality education is what this thread is partially about.
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I tried. Child would not even consider a more highly ranked for health professions/pre med in state public as it was 3 hrs away. Kid wants to be super close to home I guess (under 90 minutes).
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Is it false hope from the school or the lack of even a modicum of research on the part of the family?
This is the generation that consults 20 Yelp reviews before ordering a sandwich and consults 50 Amazon reviews before buying shampoo. And yet somehow doing basic research (what are the application requirements for a US MD program, and has this college ever gotten a student in to a US Med school without having to do a Post-Bacc?) is beyond them.
I have neighbors confidently telling me that companies âLoveâ kids who do accelerated MBAâs, even at third tier colleges, because it shows ambition. Uh, no. The salary differential for these hires is sometimes as little as 2K, which shows you exactly how much they âLoveâ these students. Working for two years, then an MBA from U Michigan might net the kid a $50K differential vs. a kid with just a BA⊠so yeah, Iâd say that someone should follow the money in determining how much âloveâ there is for these programs.
But at the end of the day, if someone doesnât want to hear the message, what can you do??