Colleges you/child crossed off the list after visiting

<p>I am well past the looking at colleges period as both of my kids have graduated now, so I love to live vicariously through this thread :). But I SO agree with sally305 - those trips were some of the best we had. It was such an exciting time of discovery. We all learned things about each other. We got to see some places we had not been. Between the 2 kids we visited schools from as close to 45 minutes away and all the way to Vermont at 5 hours away.</p>

<p>Sue22 is also right. The kids take a very obvious thing they see to pronounce that they do not want to go there, when it really is representative of a deeper reason that maybe they can’t put into words yet. That may be what happened with Staceys3 son at Indiana. That tour guide represented a style or an attitude that her son was not comfortable with. Sure, maybe it is just that one student and the rest of the school is different, but many 17 yo boys don’t look at it that way.</p>

<p>We had a tour guide at one school that we were sure our daughter wanted to attend and definitely would attend. We were very familiar with the college as my husband had worked there for many years. This guide was very arrogant and quite free with his political views. He represented the campus culture as something none of us were comfortable with (although none of us said anything to D and let her express herself first after the visit). We were aware it was not to the extent he was embodying as H certainly had lived it. But then throw in some attitude from admissions and financial aid and it resulted in her not even applying. But even without the additional attitude, D was completely turned off by the one tour guide and most likely would not have applied.</p>

<p>I’m not sure if colleges realize just how important their tour guides are to the visit/application process and how much influence they can have.</p>

<p>I always love reading in this thread. </p>

<p>I will argue vs. Sally’s point that the ROI is ‘zero’ except for the school the kid eventually chooses. We saved application money and Step-D saved time, when she eliminated schools she definitely would have applied to, had we not visited them first. So, in addition to establishing (right off of the bat) a really good relationship with the school Step-D will be attending in the Fall, our ‘return’ was also seen in multiple other ways, not the least of which was the money we saved on applications she did not fill out.</p>

<p>^That’s a good point, lauren. I was thinking more about schools that are distant enough that the costs of gas/meals/lodging/airfare far exceed the $40-$80 of an application fee. But you are also right about the time saved by not going through the effort of filling out the applications for numerous schools–an effort that can also create stress in families during the last winter break that the child is home, especially if he/she is only doing it under pressure from parents.</p>

<p>It is hard to deny that the tour guide has a huge effect, even though, intellectually, you know this person isn’t “the university”. It is even harder in summer when the tour guide could be the only student you talk to. </p>

<p>We just toured a bunch of colleges and I am having a hard time remembering the faces of some of the tour guides. Forget about the names of the admission officers/tour guides that gave the info sessions, etc. They actually asked for those on some of the feedback questionnaires that were e-mailed after the tours. I guess I should have made some better notes; my middle-aged brain is failing me.</p>

<p>I will say that it made a huge impression to me at Columbia that when my student checked in at the desk, not one of the 5 students manning it bothered to smile or to look at all friendly. Maybe they didn’t like their jobs but I am sure they could be worse-it was 95 degrees and humid outside and they were sitting in a beautiful office in a historic building in climate controlled comfort. Someone should remind them that they are the first faces a student visitor (and his parent) encounters and it makes a big impression. </p>

<p>After that the tour guide was a big improvement. ( I only worried the whole time that her very short dress- that barely covered her bottom- might fly up in the wind and I didn’t want her to be embarrassed in front of the group. )</p>

<p>I just came back from a road trip to visit schools with my D. I love to travel, as most people do, but I really like seeing places I never imagined I would go, and this includes random little towns in America. No, we didn’t have to do this trip, but then again, I never would have had a reason to enjoy and appreciate small towns in Wisconsin. Or I never would have had to stop for the night and take a walk in Hudson, Ohio (not to see a college there), which had the most beautiful old houses.</p>

<p>Agree, redpoint. We just finished a big trip and at many points I wished we would have left the complaining 14 yr old at home or sent the rising senior with one of those college bus tours. It would have been cheaper. But we made it into a family vacation and visited states I had never been to. Loved Mystic, Conn and Newport RI. Ate good food, etc. Overall it was worth being together and seeing new places as a family and we are glad we did it.</p>

<p>Lewis & Clark College: The only reason I visited was that my mom wanted to see Portland, and checking out L&C gave us an excuse to stay there for a couple of days. I already wasn’t crazy about it, since they didn’t offer me merit money and the people in the brochures all looked like the most stereotypical hipsters ever including the lacrosse players (side note, I played lax in high school for three years, and was pretty used to the lax bro stereotype). Plus, about two months before, I interviewed with an admissions counselor who told me that a Jewish student probably wouldn’t feel comfortable at the school. Not because they’re antisemitic or absurdly Christian but because many students disdain the concept of religion. When we got there, both my mom and I were amazed by how beautiful the campus was, but once we started checking out the activities board, our opinions went downhill. It seemed as though the only thing L&C students did for fun was volunteering. Even the outdoor activities benefited one charity or another. While I volunteer all the time, it was a bit off putting to think that everything I’d do was for a greater purpose rather than simply having fun. </p>

<p>When the tour started, the guide emphasized the usual benefits of a liberal arts college, cohesive community, small classes, a rigorous education, etc. But then we passed by the “Womyn’s Studies” classroom and that pretty much sealed the deal. I’m a proud feminist, but using a term that connotes a throwback to the most radical of the second wave feminists was just stupid. Additionally, the school seemed a bit too artsy to me, with little emphasis on applying things learned inside the classroom to the greater Portland area. While both my mom and I thought the school provides a very rigorous education for certain types of students, I wasn’t that type. However, L&C’s outdoor orientation sounded amazing. </p>

<p>University of Oregon: Even before I started the tour, I found out why the school’s nickname is “UC-Eugene”. Literally all but one person in the 54 person group hailed from California including one guy from a high school in my district. The only other person on the tour was also from California but his dad lived in Oregon, giving him in state tuition. As soon as we started the tour I realized that it wasn’t the school for me. Almost everything the guide talked about had to do with football and bragging about how Nike basically owns the university. He couthly admitted that almost all of his classes the first two years were large lecture classes, and not particularly challenging ones at that. When we walked by the volcano building, I asked if he knew anything about how easy it would be for freshmen to participate in research (In high school I did bookkeeping for two extremely accomplished engineering professors, so I have quite a bit of familiarity with different ways that undergrads interact with professors) and he basically gave me an extremely evasive answer. Now to be fair, he was a sports management major but given how prominent UO is in the scientific community, it seems like a question that any well trained tour guide should know the specific answer to.</p>

<p>Because it does attract so many Californians, I visited a high school friend who was studying architecture there. She rhapsodized about the program and the Hillel, but admitted that she wasn’t a fan of Eugene, and emphasized that many of her friends had some difficulty getting even intro classes. I also had come off of a disastrous second semester junior year, and I realized that I needed a smaller supportive environment which UO lacks. However, my brother will probably go there.</p>

<p>Willamette: My mom said that if she could go to college again, she’d choose Willamette. I loved the tour, its proximity to both the capitol, and Portland (right across the street and a forty minute train ride respectively), but couldn’t get over the size. The students seemed incredibly nice, and their student run cafe had amazing cookies. If only it had more than 2,000 students
 My mom wants my brother to apply, but we’ll see how that goes. </p>

<p>UC Santa Cruz: I LOVED the school, the trees, the alternative vibe, and the way the arts and sciences seemed so well integrated. My tour guide was fantastic, and the dining options seemed amazing. After the tour, before my official class started, I spoke with a professor who emphasized the extremely low grad to undergrad ratio and stated that he was always looking for undergrads to help out since he didn’t have enough grad students. Coming from UC Irvine, where the ratio of undergrad to grad is more typical of a major research institution, and where professors would never say something like that, I was quite impressed. However, I changed my mind after I sat in on an intro to political science class where the professor never asked her students questions, never asked them to discuss with one another what she was going over, and realized that I simply would not have done well with larger lecture classes.</p>

<p>Brandeis: My mother’s alma mater and a school where I wouldn’t have to worry about finding an active Jewish community (that’s an understatement). I couldn’t get over the cold, the ugly architecture, and the poorly developed environmental science program. Plus, I hated how cold it was, even at the end of April and didn’t want to compete with all of the Harvard and MIT grads for jobs. My high school friends who were going to Harvard, Tufts, and Babson urged me to reconsider, but alas I didn’t. </p>

<p>Pepperdine: My friend, a huge surfer, and also an adamant atheist wanted to go to a school where he could surf every day, so at the beginning of my junior year, we decided to tour the school (we went to LA virtually every other weekend). Both of us were surprised at how isolated Pepperdine was, especially because when I signed up for a tour, the website emphasized its proximity to LA. Before we started the tour, both of us felt uncomfortable by how meticulously well kept the school and its students seemed. Though it seemed to have a bit of the surfer vibe the students all seemed well dressed, and not like the typical college students I was used to seeing at UCI. Almost as soon as we started the tour it became apparent to us that Pepperdine isn’t just Christian in name only. Our guide talked about the chapel requirement and when I asked if any Jews or non Christians attended he happily exclaimed that I’d be a Jewish pioneer at Pepperdine. Um no. Also, from the way the tour guide made it sound, it seemed as though Pepperdine wasn’t quite sure if it wanted to be a Biola (evangelical school in LA) or Furman (conservative school that is Christian in name only). On top of that the dorms were single sex, and had a curfew for when males had to leave the room. Both of us were glad when the tour was over.</p>

<p>We are taking a trip next summer to see several colleges in the opposite end of the country from where we live. None of us have ever been to any of these places. We’re already researching historical sites to visit along the way, restaurants and diners we want to try, etc. Even if D decides none of the schools on the list are for her, I think we’ll come away from the trip with fond memories. It’s not the kind of vacation we’ve ever taken, most distant trips have been tied to family somehow.</p>

<p>whenhen, didn’t that gigantic cross in front of Pepperdine tip you off that religion is definitely part of the place. </p>

<p>For those of you who have never been to Pepperdine, this is the cross that towers the campus.</p>

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<p>It probably should have, but after driving through LA rush hour traffic, I wasn’t thinking properly.</p>

<p>As a side note, I’m impressed that you read through that rambling block of text.</p>

<p>We’ve spent a good deal of our summer touring colleges. I totally agree that the time spent with D one on one is precious. I also agree that the tour guides can have a large impact on the over all feeling the family gets about the school. Lastly, some admissions offices did a really nice job of making us feel welcome and others were kinda blah.</p>

<p>My son did a computer camp in middle school at Pepperdine. When I mentioned to him about whether he would want to go to school there, that cross really turned him off so it was interesting to read how they positioned themselves to you in terms of religion.</p>

<p>My daughter’s first unofficial and accidental college tour was Oral Roberts. We were driving through Tulsa and stopped to check out the enormous praying hands, and go inside the prayer tower. The architecture of the buildings on campus were bizarre, oddly shaped, shiny. It happened to be freshman orientation day, so we observed the scene and checked out the campus bookstore and the brochures. Everyone was super friendly. Students who greeted us at the prayer tower had piercings and dyed hair–which was a big surprise. As we left, people asked us which way to get to what building, as if we were also at the orientation, and way knew just which way to direct them. I bought a small good-luck pig in the bookstore, with ORU on it. Later that day, driving to Amarillo, we got caught in a crazy storm. I was sure we were going to die. Insane winds, pouring rain. I was ready to see the tornado hurling across the fields to our car on the highway. I rubbed my ORU pig to keep us safe. I’m not sure if it worked, or if my secular curiosity about ORU caused the almost-tornado in the first place.</p>

<p>Thanks, whenwhen, we are eager to get out and see Lewis and Clark and Willamette, but it is across the country. I was worried to see why you would cross them off your list, but none of your issues against them would be mine or my kid’s, aside from “womyn,” bleh. I love the detailed posts!</p>

<p>DS was offered merit (full tuition) at L&C, so you bet we made a cross-country trip to check it out. He applied there because he thought Portland would be a cool place to spend four years (he’d still like to live there), but he wasn’t/isn’t remotely hipsterish. We both liked Portland, but found the L&C campus a little too precious and isolated from the center of things. Our tour guide (yes, from CA) was an athlete, a plus for my DS, but we were both turned off by the fact that the library wasn’t even on the tour. The second tour guide was much more in line with the hipster image of the school, but she was very cute, so also a plus for my DS. His potential major dept. was very welcoming, but it was clear that STEM areas were not as strong there as some of his other LACs, and I was concerned about the low 4-year grad rate compared to the others. When I asked about it, the admins said it was “a west coast phenomenon.” I had very little experience with west coast schools, so I didn’t know what to make of that answer. In the end, I was sorry to lose the money, but we both agreed that it wasn’t the place for him. Since then, I’ve noticed that L&C has moved up the US News rankings quite a bit, so maybe the grad rate has improved.</p>

<p>I too have really fond memories of visiting far flung campuses with my S, we had several memorable adventures on the opposite side of the country. One of the best was going to visit St. Lawrence University in WAY upstate New York. We flew into Montreal and stayed a couple days before driving down to Canton, NY. What a fabulous city Montreal is, we felt like we’d gone to Europe!</p>

<p>Redpoint, I don’t know if you crossed Whitman off your list, but if you drove from Portland to Walla Walla you’d see some spectacular scenery along the Columbia River Gorge! People come from all over the country just to see that.</p>

<p>We live near L&C, so I thought it would be a great option for D. We were gobsmacked by the beauty of the campus, but also were frustrated by the tour (the ugliest dorm room ever-- I’m sure they could have shown something nicer, and they skip the most gorgeous building, the library, as mentioned above–??). Also too hipster for my D. She ran away. Pity. I’d sign up in a flash!</p>

<p>Thanks, bopambo, we are eager to see Whitman, and that’s one more reason to get out there . . despite the fact that Whitman is so out of the way.</p>

<p>Siena - looked like a college a few miles away from home which didn’t interest him
Ithaca - liked the exploratory program, but hated the 5-hour drive and didn’t feel campus was anything special
Loyola MD - too far for something he could get closer (Fairfield)
Saint Michael’s - felt like high school
Quinnipiac - felt students were more interested in appearances
Rhode Island - in the sticks</p>

<p>Experiencing travel hassles firsthand during visits can be useful too. After the trips I took with my son neither of us wanted to consider schools that involved connecting flights. Just too much unpredictability, especially during winter/holiday breaks.</p>