Colleges you/child crossed off the list after visiting

<p>@hockeymom12‌, we visited Stony Brook last week and it looks like it’s shedding the suitcase school image.: <a href=“Colleges you (surprisingly?) loved after visiting :) - #172 by crepes - Parents Forum - College Confidential Forums”>Colleges you (surprisingly?) loved after visiting :) - #172 by crepes - Parents Forum - College Confidential Forums;
Also a friend’s daughter who goes there lives just 40 minutes from campus and is home maybe 2 weekends a month, and not the whole weekend.</p>

<p>@redpoodles‌, ugh! Sounds like you met the worst guide and admissions people. I knew a student who got a full need-based ride to Wellesley who loved it, looks like she didn’t meet too many of the kind you met.</p>

<p>D crossed Villanova off the list after yesterday’s visit. I thought it was ok but the 1st turn-off for her was the cemetery on the hill next to the church as we walked up the hill to the Admissions office. We arrived late & missed the video part of the info session and the admissions officer going over the process was boring and not very adept at answering questions. After the walking tour she concluded that there wasn’t enough diversity and the students there reminded her of snobby students at her school whom she doesn’t like.</p>

<p>We haven’t had any of these disastrous campus visits or tours. All the tour guides we’ve seen have been friendly and well-informed, we’ve been taken in to see a dorm room on every tour, etc. And because D1 is another one of these kids who likes every campus she sees, I can’t really say we’ve crossed any schools off because of the visit. But I will give some campus visit reports:</p>

<p>UC Davis: This may come closest to being “crossed off.” Although she liked it when we visited, after seeing a few more campuses, D1 started thinking about the things she liked better at the other campuses. Davis is very spread out, so everyone rides bikes everywhere, which means that during busy passing periods you really have to watch out in order not to get run into by a bike when you cross the street. D1 sat in on a class that, again, she liked at the time, but after visiting a small LAC where the professor interacted more with the students, the UCD class didn’t look so great.</p>

<p>UC San Diego: We visited during spring break, so not many students on campus, but again, it’s very spread out and much of it feels like a barren concrete plaza. The famous Dr. Seuss library is a great example of brutalist architecture. Tour guide had a kind of running theme of events and places at which to get free food, which I found more humorous than annoying, but I can see how someone might be annoyed.</p>

<p>UC Santa Cruz: so far, D1’s favorite of the UC campuses. We were all impressed with the fact, reiterated by both admin officer and tour guide, that since UCSC has no grad students, researchers all use undergrads to assist in their research, meaning that you’re more likely to get to help with research as an undergrad there than at many other campuses. Tour guide did say at one point “has anyone heard of the Stanford Prison Experiment?” and then described it. The reason for this was because the guy who conducted that experiment is apparently now at UCSC, but really, my reaction was “uh, yeah, and I’ve heard of a lot of other horrible things too, would you like to talk about those??” Anyway, middle of a redwood forest, feels like a small school even though it isn’t (though still smaller than UCD and UCSD), D1 likes it. Also it seems to have more opportunities for D1’s probable major of psychology/sociology – or at least less of an extreme emphasis on chem/bio/engineering than UCD and UCSD. </p>

<p>Scripps: D1 turned to me about 10 minutes into the tour and said with shining eyes “I really like it here!” The campus is absolutely lovely, like a Mediterranean version of a Zen garden, with 1930s-era Mission architecture (tiled red roofs, whitewashed walls with low arched doorways and wrought-iron railings, floors of dark wood or red Spanish tile). I was also, for some reason, reminded of some of the buildings at my alma mater (U of C) – maybe because they date from the same era? D1 liked what she heard about the core curriculum; she liked the fact that Scripps’ position in the Claremont consortium meant that guys would be “available” but not right there in the same college as her; she liked the look of the other students she saw (in particular, there was one girl we passed in the quad who was wearing basically the same thing as D1 – black tank top and long drapey maxi skirt – and this girl said to D1 “I like your outfit”).</p>

<p>Pitzer: totally different vibe from Scripps. Instead of Zen meditation garden, drought-tolerant landscaping with many cacti and succulents; instead of Mission architecture, 60’s Southern California modernist buildings (the dorms really look like a huge motel, complete with swimming pool in the back). Very outdoorsy tour guide who talked a lot about things like the big game between the Claremont colleges and the backpacking trips students go on. Admin officer was so high-energy that the moment she opened her mouth and let the words fly, I instinctively drew back in my chair, causing D1 to start giggling. But D1, though far from outdoorsy and not at all high-energy, was not one to let these things put her off. She liked what she heard about the school’s commitment to social justice and sustainability, and was pleased that the students finally convinced the administration to divest from fossil fuel investments. She thinks if she is rejected at Scripps and admitted here, she may see if she can trade living situations with someone so she can live in a Scripps dorm (you can do this, apparently, if you can find someone who is willing to trade). Since Claremont students can take classes at any of the colleges, and you can even major in something that is not even offered at the school to which you have been admitted, it seems like you can technically be a student at one school but arrange things so that your college experience centers around a totally different school.</p>

<p>Occidental: more mainstream than Pitzer, but D1 still liked it. Admissions building truly lovely, especially after driving through sad, faded surrounding neighborhood; rest of campus not quite so lovely. Food, disappointing (and the tour guide had just finished telling us their food was rated very highly!). May stay on list, may be pushed out by other schools.</p>

<p>Reed: almost as big a hit as Scripps. We visited during summer, so campus was completely deserted. Also it was a hot sunny day, which is of course very unusual in Portland (tour guide did her duty and mentioned the frequent rain several times during tour). I had the oddest reaction to the architecture in the admissions building – I ought to have loved it since it wasn’t that different from Scripps, but instead of reminding me of my college years at U of C, instead it somehow reminded me of an elementary school. Maybe it was the chairs in the room where we heard the info session – old-fashioned oak schoolroom chairs with built-in armrest mini-desks. Anyway, D1 doesn’t care about the desks; what sold her was the fact that both the admin officer and the tour guide told many, many stories about the various hijinks and projects and clubs the students form. Show D1 a group of creative nerdy types who absolutely do not care what anyone else thinks of them or how ridiculous they look, and you have shown her her people. I think she needs to go back when class is in session so she can check the student body out for herself, but right now for her, Reed is up there with Scripps as a top choice.</p>

<p>Lewis & Clark: an interesting contrast to Reed. While the Reed info session and tour seemed to rely on the quirkiness of the student body as a selling point, Lewis & Clark told us all about the programs the school offers. Their big selling point is their study-abroad program, and the club the tour guide emphasized the most was the outdoor adventure club (or whatever it’s called). D1 has no particular desire to study abroad and she is not outdoorsy, so she likes L&C in spite of those amenities, not because of them. She insists she will not mind the near-constant rain, and she does like the idea of going to school in a city like Portland.</p>

<p>Next up: Barnard and Bryn Mawr! Stay tuned!</p>

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<p>@dustypig - I am very interested to hear what you think!</p>

<p>@dustypig‌, when I went to UCSC back in the dark ages, there were grad students. The ratio then was about 5 UGs to 1 GS, My field camp and field methods class (geology) were taught by grad students. It didn’t get in the way of anything I did, but if someone at UCSC told you there were no grad students and that is a big selling point to your D, I would check into that.</p>

<p>dustypig, I’m really confused about your statement that UCSC has no grad students, why then do they have a graduate program: <a href=“http://graddiv.ucsc.edu/”>http://graddiv.ucsc.edu/&lt;/a&gt;? I know several people who got graduate degrees at UCSC in the not so distant past.</p>

<p>@dustypig - I’d like to know your thoughts on Barnard and Bryn Mawr. My D has visited both of them and we can compare notes!</p>

<p>@dustypig thank you for the helpful reports.
I know a young woman from N.C. who went to Scripps. She fell for it after visiting with her father, who had gone to Harvey Mudd and wanted her to at least visit Scripps. Anyway, she absolutely loved the school and says that her dearest friends, she met during her time there. She went on to grad school at Columbia Univ.
I look forward to hearing what you and D think of Barnard and Bryn Mawr.</p>

<p>Sorry about the confusion re UCSC grad students. What the admin officer may have said is that there are not many grad students at UCSc, and that therefore undergrads get pulled in to do research far more often than at other research universities. The point of what she said was the impact on your chances of getting to participate in research as an undergrad, so I may have misremembered the exact details while retaining the overall message. I didn’t mean to mislead anyone!</p>

<p>And, I don’t know why this thread does not get bumped up to the first page of the Parents Forum when a new post is made! Is this some kind of glitch or are the moderators sick of this thread and want to bury it?</p>

<p>Cornell - After visiting, I decided that the campus was too rural/isolated. Nothing about Cornell particularly impressed me, and I think I would feel “trapped” if I had to spend four years there. Also, some parts of Cornell (size and sports focus) reminded me of public universities.</p>

<p>Olin - The presentation was abysmal. While the presenter obviously knew what he was talking about, the presentation lacked energy and was, generally, quite boring. Additionally, they focused too much on applied engineering, and I would rather learn more theory in college. Finally, the tour guide was a rising freshman, so he knew next-to-nothing about the school.</p>

<p>Princeton - The presentation covered the “standard information” you hear at almost every other college info session and almost nothing else. The information unique to Princeton was not terribly impressive either: the presenter said that freshmen and sophomores rarely do research, but all seniors are required to do a research project; however, the “research” involved things like studying one’s family tree, building engineering projects, etc. and did not sound like “real research.” The tour was also boring, and most people we met on campus came across as stuffy and pretentious. The buildings were absolutely beautiful, though. :)</p>

<p>Dusty, I started bookmarking threads I want to follow. I don’t think it’s intuitive to find your threads otherwise.</p>

<p>I do have it bookmarked, but on my list of bookmarks it says the most recent post was July 18. And on the Parents Forum home page it says the same thing and is way back on page 6. Is it just me?</p>

<p>I am having similar issues with my bookmark. It will say there are new posts if I scroll thru the list but it does not rise to the top. </p>

<p>Another school crossed off the list: Smith.
I’d heard that it’s in a beautiful part of Massachussetts and since I love the Berkshires, and areas near Boston like Lexington and Concord, or small towns like Marblehead, Gloucester, Rockport, I was looking forward to it. Instead we drove through a decrepit area of Holyoke and saw a number of scary looking street people in Northampton itself. And it’s not like I’m very sheltered either–I lived in NYC for 11 years.</p>

<p>The campus itself is beautiful, especially the greenhouse and the boathouse by the river. But–we arrived 5 minutes late for the tour and two tour groups had just set out. The people at admissions made very little attempt to catch us up to the tours (“maybe they went this way, I think one of them might have gone up to that brick house, if you don’t find them you can go on the self-guided tour”)
We did manage to meet up with one of the tours and started walking along with them along what must be one of the busiest streets, probably Elm Street. We just followed along with the guide walking with her back to the group and hardly saying anything, I thought maybe because the street was noisy. But as the tour went along through quiet areas I realized we had come across one of the least enthusiastic guides we’d met in over 15 tours. She seemed knowlegeable and nice enough but really didn’t have that much to say–it was all quite basic, no fun facts etc. I never really realized the advantage of a guide walking backwards til this tour.
When we got back to the admissions office at the end of the tour we had a couple of questions which the staff member answered politely enough but her main concern seemed to be “we’re closing up in a few minutes.”</p>

<p>D said “I liked Smith better before we visited” and we agreed that for a school with a great reputation they did a poor job of selling themselves.</p>

<p>Adding to the Smith story–we wondered if we were being oversensitive about the Smith admissions people not making an effort to catch us up to the tour. But the next week we got to Cornell 10+ minutes late for the tour, and a student walked half a mile with us to help us find it–and then walked another 10 minutes to help DH and DS meet up with us. He gave us some helpful tips as well!</p>

<p>Any more stories?</p>

<p>I can comment on visits to both Barnard and Bryn Mawr but the thread is for those crossed off after visiting. :smiley:
She loved both after visiting and they are her TOP choices!</p>

<p>Crepes, it’s funny but we had the opposite story with Cornell. We arrived at Cornell just on time. And we wanted the housing tour, but they put us on the regular tour. They wouldn’t help us switch even five minutes out. Because it was summertime, there were no more housing tours while we were in Ithaca, but there was another general tour like the one we were on. And they were pretty apathetic about the mixup. My conclusion is that some people in admissions are more empathetic than others, and will go that extra step to help a family who was struggling to find the campus, or parking, etc.</p>

<p>Interesting thread.
Swarthmore- beautiful campus and great academics, but way too many nerdy people and laptops and solitary students at too many dining hall tables
Haverford - as everyone said, no one ever seems to be around. However, this is another fabulous school.
Princeton - was ready to love it. Had the worst, most arrogant tour guide! The info session was soulless. Speaker said students should have only a few ECs -like 4 or 5.
Penn - loved it, but the people are socially aggressive/pushy. Loved it any way!
Yale - perfectly lively, humble and fun. Had a great tour guide. Felt like anything was possible.
Wesleyan- well balanced, though there is a bit of an ego. Ultimately too wild socially.
Pomona - runs like butter, unfortunately not as tasty somehow
Stanford - wonderful inside its own bubble. Happily it is a 9k acre bubble. BUT, there is something almost cultish about it now. Like it’s the place for perfect clean people.
Hopkins - great school and I love Baltimore, but area around it gets scary very fast. (yes, scarier than New Haven)
Chicago - beautiful campus and near enough to the lake. May be a bit too serious for most people.
Northwestern -Evanston is prettier than the campus
Brown -I like Providence. Open curriculum has its benefits and flaws, love the well curated courses. But it always amazes and worries me that the endowment is so small.
Williams -great school; too remote. </p>

<p>MIT- I personally thought it was a bit sterile for my taste, but thoroughly enjoyed watching the students at work. (Crossed off of the list)
Boston University- I wasn’t a fan of the campus’ structure, but thought that the Fitness Center and Student Union were awesome. (Crossed off of the list)
Boston College- Chestnut Hill was beautiful! I wasn’t able to take an official tour, but plan to return. (For now, on list)
Tufts- I concur with previous posts about Tufts. I just didn’t get the gut feeling. (Crossed off of list)
Brown- This is where my parents and I started to disagree. I feel guilty because the second I set foot on campus I knew that it wasn’t for me. I don’t want to label the school, but I did feel that it wasn’t as structured as other schools on my list. My mother LOVED it and obviously thinks I am making a huge mistake. I respect her opinion, but I can’t shake the feeling that I am right on this one. (Crossed off of list to my mother’s ire)
Wellesley- Beautiful campus, but it is kind of in the middle of nowhere. Amazing school as well! (Crossed off of list)
Harvard- Harvard was my dream school going in, and it remains such! I absolutely adored Harvard Yard and the campus structure (I won’t have a car and don’t bike). I loved the atmosphere and adored the Professor in the Gov class I visited. My mother thought that the students looked like robots and were antisocial, but several students gave us directions! Granted, it was also pouring buckets so they had a reason to be unhappy. Do others have similar experiences?
Yale- I loved Yale! I didn’t have the best tour guide, but I could tell he was passionate about the school. I personally would advise others to investigate themselves if they have a tour guide with whom they didn’t connect. I have an amusing anecdote about New Haven: I went to eat at an Indian restaurant that a friend/Yale student recommended. While we were there and asking for directions, the owner said, “Don’t go past my shop.” It was perfectly light out! :open_mouth: (Ascended on the list)
Princeton- Princeton, NJ is an adorable area (that I saw) and my father loved the school! I once again didn’t get that gut feeling and feel that I wouldn’t want to engage in some of the campus traditions such as the eating clubs. I personally prefer the housing systems at Harvard and Yale. (Might end up crossing it off of my list, but it required more thought)
Georgetown- I loved it! The tour was great- I really connected with the guide. The campus is in a nicer part of DC, and it is quite scenic! I felt that it is really welcoming, although some of the buildings are not the most beautiful. (Ascended on list)
Penn- I observed a “jockish” atmosphere that seems really fun for a certain type of person. I didn’t get a gut feeling, but I think it was the best tour that I’ve been on thus far. (Crossed off of list although it is a fun time!)
UChicago- I didn’t know much about the school going on but fell head over heels! There is a geeky vibe that reeks of intellectual vitality! I would love to go to school here. Are the rumors about the darker side of Hyde Park true? My parents were concerned about this and potentially New Haven. Also, we took a cab and were rear-ended on the way there (still made our tour time :wink: ) (Ascended on the list)
Notre Dame- My parents and I both loved it, although my Mom thinks that it is by far the best place for me. Beautiful campus and friendly students, but it really is a 2.5 hour drive from Chicago, which may be a turn-off for some people. (Ascended into the top 5)
Northwestern- I concur with all previous posts. I ended up crossing it off my list.
Loyola Chicago- I haven’t seen any posts about it so I’ll mention it. My parents and I were just driving by and decided to check it out. It has been cleaned up a lot! They have a few new dorms and actually, to my surprise, allowed us the novelty of being able to look at the rooms as well as dining centers. (Ascended up my list- was a complete, pleasant surprise!)
Thanks for bearing with my long post! Best of luck to everyone in the visiting process. My parents’ criteria for allowing me to apply to a school is pretty much limited to visiting the campus first, which is a brilliant idea if there is time/resources.</p>

<p>Only a few so far but…
GW- seemed like admissions office went out of their way to tell everyone that GWU is “NOT LIKE NYU AT ALL”. Lies, I live in NYC, same concept- no campus, no school spirit, seems like everyone already knows the people they’re gonna be friends with before they get there. Didn’t bother to look at Foggy Bottom, also classes seemed huge.</p>

<p>American- In a word- deserted. No one was one campus which is always a turn off, girls at front desk said that people preferred living off campus instead of on, can’t blame them. Dorms looked like inner-city shelters. Was too suburban as well.</p>

<p>Georgetown- Incredible, don’t visit first, you’ll never stop thinking about it. Beautiful campus, architecture. Students seemed really pleased to be there, great academics and location. </p>