Colleges your child crossed off the list after visiting, schools that moved up on the list. Why? (NO REPLIES)

Colorado State Up— the school grew on our S26 and his dad the further we got into the tour. Our first take was that the campus was a little bland and nondescript. The building were spread out and seemed a little disjointed. As you went further into the tour, you started understanding the reasons behind the design and layout. The open spaces gave you the unobstructed site lines to the mountain ranges’ fantastic views and made the campus feel more connected to the surroundings. Also, despite the wide open spaces and a spread-out feel, you could get from one campus to another in under a 20-minute walk. The buildings were also open with a lot of glass that leaned into the idea of the views and the outdoors.

The one comment from the info session that stood out was not to let the high acceptance rate make you question the quality of the academics. I came out of it feeling this would be a strong choice as a safety vs. CU Boulder. For a kid like our son, who is just starting to get a little serious about his academics, it could be a place he could excel. Also, for a kid like our son who thinks he wants to study business but is not sure, it would be hard to find a major that is not offered at CSU.

We flew into Denver the night before. It is about 60 to 90 minutes from Fort Collins. After the tour, we got a chance to explore Fort Collins. It has a pretty cool downtown area with many different restaurants, interesting shops, and a pretty happening music scene. If you are into biking, hiking, outdoors, or skiing, it is tough to beat.

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U Denver Down and Off—We went right after our CSU visit. Our Son, with an older brother and sister, is a little college tour worn out, and so are his parents. We just did a self-guided tour, and if there were a genuine interest, we would find someone to talk to in admissions. Maybe because we had just come from CSU, he immediately said it felt too small. Our Son was not feeling it. I liked it a little more than he did.

It has more of a neighborhood city feel than a downtown center city feel. It’s a separate, self-contained campus, more like Pitt than BU. The campus was a pretty good size, especially since it was in Denver proper. It has a modern feel, but I was not overly impressed by the majority of the buildings. They don’t have football; the big sport is hockey, and the arena is quite impressive. If you like a Pitt or a Northeastern and are looking for a backup safety, it is something to check out. We can’t comment on the academics because we didn’t do the info session.

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UC Berkeley - off the list. Went up to accepted Cal day. Campus was OK, but homelessness and overall feel of the place was not right. My kid said it was like living in a trash can. Plus the frats in the middle of campus were loud and vomiting/drunk kids at 11 AM on top of how rough the town was… let’s just say we left half way. Later on we found out a kid fell off one of those frats on the same day and is paralyzed in the hospital. It’s too bad. We had high hopes.

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D26 and I recently visited UC Davis. We had visited Davis 2 or 3 years ago, but this was a visit done with building a college list in mind.

The info session and tour were both student run. The student doing the info session was REALLY good. Probably the best student doing an info session that we have seen yet. D26 and I are used to going to smaller schools, so we were surprised by how many people were at the info session.

Davis seems particularly strong in the sciences and the social sciences that are related to the State Government in Sacramento which is nearby.

The student doing the tour was a transfer student and he kept giving us the transfer student perspective–even though no one in our group was a transfer student. It was sorta funny. He would ramble on something transfer student related and then ask the group, “How many of you are transfer students again?” Still zero, kid. 15 minutes later, the same thing would happen.

The campus was nice and was surprisingly active for a summer day. There are a number of newer buildings, but a lot of the buildings were built in the “era of ugly architecture.” The campus is attractive, but not spectacular. I really enjoyed the area by the river where the campus joins the town of Davis. Just a pretty, shady place to walk.

Be forewarned. The campus is huge. We walked around a lot and feel like we only saw 10% of the campus. As a result, Davis has a huge bike culture. Every building has bike racks and bikes and bike paths are everywhere. The school has an obelisk made of bike parts, which is totally appropriate.

Unfortunately, no dining halls were open so we could not sample the food. The students manning the admissions desk recommended that we go to Guads for tacos. WOW. SO GOOD. The commercial areas right off Davis are really cute as well. The area that Guads was in seemed like it was part of the campus which was interesting and different.

We also did not go into a dorm. There is a separate dorm tour that was not offered on the day that we visited.

Our tour guide did grouse about a few things. As a public school in a state that does a poor job of managing its finances, he complained about having to buy Scantron sheets and Blue Books (I was surprised that either of those still existed). He also hinted that the quality of some services (dining, mental health, medical) could be better.

Overall, D26 liked Davis more than she thought she would although her sweet spot seems to be small to mid-sized schools with between 2,000 and 11,000 students.

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I can add our Davis tour as well! UP for D26 and friend, SAME for me.

It was 102 degrees on the day of our tour and I think a lot of people cancelled due to weather–our group was perhaps 6-8 students. Not what I was expecting for an enormous public university!

The guide was not great. He spoke too fast and of course we were miserable traipsing around in the heat. It was hard to take in all the information he was spewing, but he did manage to convey his fondness for the Davis community. The friendly vibe of UCD did show itself. The student body, not surprisingly, is reflective of California, which is to say, diverse racially, and in general pretty chill. My kid would easily fit in here.

As the poster above noted, the campus is not beautiful, though it does have a lovely arboretum. The buildings are quite ugly. No dorms on this tour, though I’ve seen one before. They seem fine. The guide noted that Davis does not have a housing crisis and he himself has been presented with three good options for next year. Also, Davis is highly regarded for its food options, confirmed by S20’s friend who is graduating this year. And yes, bikes everywhere. The roads running through campus are closed to cars, so bikes rule. It’s much nicer biking to class when it’s 102 degrees out than trudging across campus. One oddball fact is that the campus buses are driven by students! These are enormous red city buses and I was a little alarmed to know they are all driven by 20 year olds! But apparently it is the highest paid campus job.

My D is not stem-oriented but Davis is tremendous in this regard. I noted a building marked as the Center for Psychedelic Study, or something like that (housed in the chem dept I believe).

The town immediately adjacent to campus is appealing, but we did not spend time there this time due to the stifling heat.

D and her friend liked Davis a lot and will add it to their lists, although D thinks it is too close to home. I think it’s cool that she could take Amtrak home for a weekend visit if needed!

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We just visited a bunch of schools that are rarely mentioned here. We live in Louisiana and did a LA/MS college road trip with S26 during spring break.

Ole Miss - Up (and to the top of the list)

It’s one of the smallest SEC schools and has a beautiful campus that oozes Southern charm. The campus is compact and very walkable. School spirit is huge. Everybody was friendly, an absolutely infectious friendliness. Our tour guide was great and knew/greeted tons of people on campus. Like many other SEC schools, it is becoming more popular outside MS, among the sizeable group attending our presentation only one party was from MS, others that I remember were from TX/NJ/LA/ WI.

Greek presence is very obvious. We saw lots of girls walking around in their sorority wear. The Greek houses are stunning. I’m not a fan of SEC Greek culture but S26 was somewhat oblivious to it. Another downside from my (parent) perspective is the location. Oxford is cute but very small and in the middle of nowhere. So it would be hard to do internships while school is in session.

We had a separate tour of the Croft Institute for International Studies (separate competitive admission) and ran into impressive students and friendly staff who took time to talk with us even though it was a day where their students defended their thesis. Croft is one of those smaller cohort programs that make a large university seem small.

For many Northerners Ole Miss would be a bargain, auto merit is clearly stated on the website.

Mississippi State: up

We didn’t do a tour and just walked around campus on a Thursday evening. Lots of students out and about. Greek presence was again palpable but overall the students we saw where more diverse than expected. Very pretty, clean, well taken care of campus that reminded me of University of Alabama with its wide open spaces.

Our highlight was when we entered the business school to look around. We came upon a pitch competition and were immediately approached by the head of their entrepreneurship program and invited to stay and watch. He took time to answer all our questions. We were both impressed.

A big downside to me is again location. Starkville seems even more remote and in the middle of nowhere than Oxford. However, the town was super lively on a Thursday night, restaurants seemed to be full and we saw many students in town. Remoteness does not phase S26 and he will apply.

Louisiana Tech: up

LA Tech has a very good reputation for their engineering and aeronautics graduates in the South. It would be safety and bargain for most students. The school has become very popular, especially among boys, in our South Louisiana area and many of S26’s friends are planning to attend.

They had many visitors on the morning we went (8:30 am tour :hushed_face:) But each family had a private tour guide. We had to indicate potential major choice when we registered for the tour and it seemed that they were trying to pair you with tour guides from that major. So we toured with a guide from the business school. The guide was very friendly but not a great guide (she kept saying "this is the soandso building but I can’t tell you much about it, because I’ve never been in there, she was a junior). After the campus tour we were handed off to the business school for, as it turned out, a private presentation and tour (S26 was the only potential business major visiting that morning). The presentation and b-school tour were very good and in depth.

The campus is ok (business and engineering schools are new and pretty, so were the dorms we saw)) but definitely can’t compete with the flagship campuses we saw. There are Greek organizations but nothing like at SEC schools.

Ruston is a small Southern town with a pretty downtown close to campus. This school is a total bargain with a good regional reputation for engineering majors. It’s not at the top of S26’s list but it is our financial safety and he said he would be happy to attend.

LSU: down

We live in the vicinity and S26 has been on campus for sports events numerous times. This was the first time he took a tour though and saw the rest of the campus. We took his best friend along. We toured LSU after the schools above and that was its downfall. The tour guide was good, the business and engineering schools are very new and amazing (better facilities than at the other schools in my opinion) and the campus is very pretty with its many old oak trees. The dorms we were shown were new and among the best we have seen. We walked through the cafeteria close to the honors dorm and it was newly renovated and looked more like a hip food court than a university cafeteria.

Both boys complained about no merch :zany_face: . Every other school had given out merch. Also S26 had really fallen in love with Old Miss by then and his friend is pretty set on attending LA Tech. So LSU probably didn’t have a chance from the beginning.

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My wife and daughter flew from Newark to Raleigh to visit Elon and High Point. They flew in the night before and stayed at the Elon Inn on campus. They both liked the hotel very much.

High Point—Up, Down, and Out They went into the tour knowing the school’s reputation as a country club, and it lived up to it. They both said the campus was beautiful. The dorms were like a four-star hotel room: upscale dining halls and multiple outdoor pools with Jacuzzis. Our daughter was initially blown away at just how nice it all was. They were driven around in golf carts, and the school even had escalators.

They emphasize life skill learning through experience. My wife was impressed by the level of support they offer the students throughout all four years and how much they do for the students in helping them with career placement. Practical but straightforward stuff like mannequins to show students how to dress for success. And how much the students engage in community outreach. High Point was crossed off the list due to lacking academic emphasis.

Our daughter is very much an academically curious student and relates to other kids who are the same. She didn’t think she would find many of those types of students at High Point. She also felt she would not find students in line with her on social issues. Also, even though she is currently undecided, she discovered that one of the majors she was most interested in was only offered as a minor.

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Thought I’d add two technically focused colleges that my D26 and I just visited. She has not been interested in tech schools at all even though she’s been interested in studying physics. But, an upperclassman friend of hers decided to go to RPI in the fall and talked it up a bit, so she decided she wanted to take a look at a couple.

Stevens Institute of Technology: UP for both of us. This is a fairly local college near us, so we were familiar with it, but never actually took a tour. The information session was really flat - just the admissions officer reading off the slides and not really giving a lot of insight or excitement. But then the two tour guides that showed us around were great. They highlighted many of the labs, they talked about athletics with some nice school pride (men’s volleyball is apparently really good!) and they spoke pretty openly about why they chose Stevens (money + tech-focus). I was worried about what the lack of humanities students would do to a campus, and they noted that this is actually a bit of a concern. But, they called out that they do have programs in arts and music, but those programs are much more closely associated with technology and that everyone had an outlet if they wanted.

I don’t think D26 will apply here (too close to home), but it definitely gave her an initial positive impression of a tech-focused college.

RPI: WAY UP for both. Ok, I know the reputation of RPI from my work where I have worked with LOTS of RPI grads. They have all been universally great, so I’ve always held it in high regard. But the latest financial challenges, especially with their previous president, had given me pause. Hopefully the new pres is a good as everyone hopes so looking forward to positive results. Anyway, the info session was fairly detailed, which was helpful. They went through all the different schools, they spoke really openly about their admissions process (absolutely submit SATs if it’s above a 1400) and talked about what they looked for (rigor in science and math). They called out that while only one recommendation is required, it really needs to be from a STEM teacher. All this makes sense intuitively, but it was nice to hear it spoken about very plainly.

The tour was by a rising third year doing the Arch summer on campus. She was great - very open and honest about her assessments of RPI. I had read some not very positive things about Arch and she said she was concerned about it too, but that she’s found it to be really impactful with smaller class sizes, certain classes only offered during the Arch summer, and tremendous access to labs which can be more crowded during the school year. She also addressed the big elephant in the room for my D26 which is the gender ratio (she was worried about it, but has found it to be a non-issue although some classes will be heavily male, but everyone’s still in the same boat), and she highlighted something that I thought was interesting - everyone is involved in stuff, not just tech. It was something that surprised her about RPI - that it’s not just a bunch of techie nerds stuck in their room (except, she noted, the CS majors!), but it’s students that love STEM but that also love doing stuff outside of that. She noted friends getting involved in sports and music competitions, etc. It really felt dynamic and not as one-dimensional as I was incorrectly assuming. That said, they did convert their chapel into their computer lab with their fancy quantum computer! And now RPI is almost certainly on the apply list.

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Lafayette - Down & OFF. D25 applied to a few schools upon our suggestion and Lafayette being one so she had not independently researched or had much of an interest in Lafayette prior to applying. She applied RD and was waitlisted then offered admission + merit (we are full pay). We visited for an Admitted Students day at the end of April just to check it out generally and compare to her chosen school (Pitt) and to bring along her younger sister D27. My initial thoughts were that the campus itself was quite beautiful and reminded us very much of Villanova, Lehigh etc. The admitted students presentation was adequate but slightly dry with deans and directors on the panel but only 1 student. D25 has selected to sit in on an English class and she said the instructor was late and arrived disheveled and seemed both distracted and unprepared. Another student approached D25 after the class and actually apologized saying that’s not who we are here at Lafayette and I don’t know why they’d have anyone sit in on this class. So credit to that student (and potentially the caliber of student Lafayette attracts) to have the initiative to seek out a prospective student to do some damage control. Students on campus generally seemed content and hanging out in the main quad area on a sunny spring day, but it overall felt a bit sleepy/stuffy/preppy for D25 and she equated it to a prep or boarding school vibe. To be fair, she wants urban and bigger/medium sized diverse student body from the get-go so Lafayette was a far departure from her personal benchmarks for fit but I don’t think my younger daughter will apply based on our visit. For the right student, could be a great fit but wasn’t what we were looking for.

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Here are a few liberal arts colleges that my D26 and I visited recently.

Vassar: Way down and out. This was a little surprising for both of us. We went in with the expectation that this might be a good fit for D26 because of the strong STEM program and the strong arts culture, but we walked away underwhelmed. The admission session was fine, but there was nothing special here. They spoke about “engaged plurality”, but we really couldn’t figure out how they brought that to life. It just felt like a nice tagline. The tour also was very flat. The student that led to the tour was really nice and talked about her experience, but neither D26 nor I could really figure out what made the place tick. It felt sort of like a wealthy playground. As my daughter would say, “The vibes were off.” Indeed, they were.

Haverford: Up again! Last time we visited Haverford, we attended an admissions session, but self-toured the campus. This time, we attended a student-led tour to get a better feel. The tour guide was great - she was engaging and really forthright about Haverford. My children attended a small school that demanded a lot of community involvement/participation and we often had meetings that required reaching quorum, which is not always easy. I asked if they struggled with this too, and she was very honest about the time it took hours to get to quorum, and then they had to have a special meeting to get quorum so they could move forward. She also talked about how they did things to somewhat bribe students to attend (kiddie pools and other fun things to get students to come out). We’d heard lots of pros about the Quaker culture, but to hear some of those drawbacks was insightful and gave D26 a more realistic appreciation of what the school would really be like. That said, this is very much on the list because it’s so well differentiated. She really liked that they stood for something and is interested in being part of that type of community.

Bryn Mawr: Down and out. This one surprised me, but D26 had little expectation going in. She wasn’t interested in a women’s college, but wanted to at least see Bryn Mawr because of the relationship with Haverford. I wanted her to see it because maybe there’s some merit money there! Alas, it wasn’t meant to be. D26 expected two big things out of this - one that they would highlight their honor code (and perhaps talk up their Quaker roots) and two that they would talk up being a women’s college. Neither of these were really the case. The admissions officer spoke a LOT about how the number one place that students went after graduation was into business. It was basically a “Don’t be worried about going to a LAC, our students get jobs!” discussion. While I appreciate that students are employed, it just seemed so strange the amount of time devoted to speaking about it. It left a bad taste in D26’s mouth. The tour itself was fine (the campus is as beautiful as they say), but again everything felt somewhat generic. I did appreciate all the traditions they have, and I think it’d be nice to have that sense of community, but that wasn’t as interesting to D26.

All in all, I think this about does it for college tours for D26. We were going to see another LAC (Wesleyan), but she didn’t want to go after these tours. Maybe she’ll apply and see it if she gets in, but otherwise she’s done looking.

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Two college visits in Worcester, MA this weekend –

Clark University – DOWN and OFF for D26, SAME for me. The campus seemed really nice, not pretentious, and our two tour guides were lovely and personable. The info session covered a lot of different ways in which students get individual attention – it does seem like students don’t slip through the cracks at this school. Lots of opportunities for research early on. It’s hard to get an impression of the student body in the summer, unfortunately – campus was pretty empty. I did ask about what kind of students attended, even giving the example that my older kid is at Rice, and they very much describe students as “happy nerds” (which is accurate, lol). But we weren’t able to get a sense of what kind of kid attends Clark.

My D26 is interested in an interactive media and game design major, and Clark boasts the #3 program for this in the U.S. – which is kind of weird for a small LAC. But we learned that there was another school – Becker – that closed its doors during the pandemic, and Becker had this top program, which Clark absorbed. There is now a brand new building which houses it on campus.

Despite that, my kid is very much not looking for an LAC – she wants something bigger. So although the program itself seemed great, the overall vibe of the school didn’t resonate with her. And then, there was no pep band, and no one could really tell us anything about other bands – or whether students could play with Holy Cross’s marching band, as we’d heard. D26 will not apply.

Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI) – SAME or slightly UP for D26, WAY UP for me. Wow, what a beautiful campus! I think I was expecting some kind of industrial tech school look, and it’s not that at all – WPI’s campus is green and gorgeous and interesting. It was a really nice mix of old and modern buildings. The size, about 5K undergrad, seemed to be okay for D26. We were initially skeptical about the short 7-week quarters (two in the fall, two in the spring), but after hearing the full description of how they worked, D26 was okay with it. Lots of projects and study-abroad opportunities, which was a huge plus.

The school also emphasizes its humanities curriculum because it’s full of engineering majors who might not take humanities classes otherwise, lol. And we didn’t have to ask about what kind of kids attended – it was clear from our tour guide, lol. He unabashedly told us about reserving meeting rooms to host his D&D campaigns, about his sci-fi club, and about the store he frequents to buy Pokemon and Magic the Gathering cards. :sweat_smile: My D26 was highly amused and thought she’d have no trouble finding her people here.

Still, I think I liked it more than she did – it could be we’ve just toured too many schools, and she’s kind of over it. She didn’t have that “wow” reaction that she had with RIT. (I kind of did, though.) Still, I think it’s likely she’ll apply. Oh, one more note – the dorms were meh and not air-conditioned, which gave our southern hearts pause.

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We visited 3 Ohio SLACs last week-

College of Wooster- Up for both D26 and me! We did an official tour. Beautiful campus and much larger than we expected. Pictures definitely do not do this campus justice. D26 liked the multiple places to eat on campus. The dorms are really nice with walk in closets. She also liked the town of Wooster itself. They give a lot of merit $. Seems like a great place to spend 4 years!

Oberlin College- Up for both D26 and me. Another beautiful campus and very large. Cute little town and only 30 mins to Cleveland which makes it easy to get to. There are multiple dining halls and a large campus with lots of places to study. Academics are great and would also be another good place to spend 4 years. My D26 loved the mix of old and new buildings and the amount of green spaces on campus. She also liked the amount of students at Oberlin. A little over 3,000 which is more than most of the SLACs she is currently looking at. Have heard it is very liberal but that does not seem to bother D26 that much. Oberlin also gives good merit $.

Denison University- Beautiful campus but very hilly. It was boiling hot the day we visited. We did more of a drive through campus because it was too hot to get out and walk up and down hills. Academics are great and they do give merit. We did not sign up for a tour here. It was hard to see the whole campus driving around bc many of the main roads are under construction on campus. D26 thought it was beautiful but prefers a campus that is flat. She felt a little claustrophobic the fact that you couldn’t really see a lot driving around from all the hills. Still on the list because they do give good merit and they have majors she is interested in.

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Agnes Scott College- Way, way, up, like to the moon up! We visited Agnes Scott College last week and it is hard to imagine D26, spouse and I more impressed. We are from Northern CA, and had never heard of the school before a school college counselor recommended it in February and now it is one of the schools at the top of the list after the visit.

Location - we knew Atlanta, and like the city, particularly because of its diverse college and young professional population with a lot of upwardly mobile black folks. But, we were unfamiliar with Decatur Georgia where Agnes Scott is located. Decatur is an absolutely lovely and charming small city. We stayed in a hotel in downtown Decatur, a short walk from to Agnes Scott. There were so many great restaurants of all types, and we had delicious food at every meal, from burgers and wings, to chicken, to nice italian, to mexican to asian noodles and ice cream. All were good. And there are a bunch of quaint shops and a MARTA station right there, to easily take public transit into Atlanta. As a town to call home base for college, it was a home run for what D26 likes.

The welcome - first of all, they did an incredible job of making us feel welcome and special. While that is by no means a reason to choose a school, when it has the other elements, it really does put it over the top and make it stand out. When we arrived to admissions, there was a little sign out front welcoming D26 and the other students visiting that day by name (because it’s a tiny school, only a couple names there). Person at the front desk gave off genuine happiness to see us and engaged in small talk in a way that felt as if she was really trying to get to know us a bit and welcome us. Then, as you enter and wait for information session and tour, they have this wonderful room of displays that walk through the experience and the key elements of their curriculum/offerings - organized by year - first year, second, junior, senior. It is really well done and gives a real sense of the experience. I don’t know who did their marketing research on both how to package a welcome and tour and packaging what is unique about them, but whoever it is really nailed this piece. It was the best impression I’ve had of any school on this. Really top notch.

The unique features that resonated - Agnes Scott is a very small women’s college (less than 900 students) that really leans into the individualized attention, and supporting students in gaining global experiences, developing leadership in their own way, and growing into their career path. They have a program called SUMMIT which starts freshman year and has a classroom element that culminates in a short study abroad trip (could be domestic too for some themes) that all freshman participate in. They also start on career development support in freshman year with mentors, etc, and have built into their program short internship opportunities for students to explore things. And, the curriculum has leadership development elements for students, often including community service elements. All of these things scaffold throughout the 4 years so that students develop into their own path for each of these. D26 loved this and said, she feels like after going through that she’d be well prepared for real “adulting” in addition to getting to explore international interests. In addition to that, it is the most diverse school of any that we have looked at. Student population is roughly 40% white, 35ish% black, 15ish% Latino, and Asian and multiracial students as well. On top of that, there are a large number of lower income and middle income students compared to a lot of small liberal arts colleges. As a non-white family, having a place were there are a ton of students of color, and not all rich kids feels like a breath of fresh air. And our tour guide, who was white, consistent with what we had read about the school, said that students really do have close, sisterhood type friendships across race and class in a way that is special. It seems like an incredible, unicorn of a place in that way.

Academics - it was clear that there are lots of students who really enjoy learning, and are really collaborative and supportive of each other. The school also has tons of resources to support students in writing, sciences, etc for such a small school. It is a quirky, nerdy type of student population where academics and clubs/activities are the center of life. No sorority scene and kids like to chill with each other more than party. Close relationships with professors like lots of LACs, and good outcomes for students, especially considering that the student population is not as privileged as some peers. D26 felt she’d thrive in this environment.

Traditions - we loved the women’s college traditions they have, like all sophomores get an Onyx ring symbolizing their becoming a part of the community. Rings have been the same for decades and lots of alums who still wear theirs. Spring senior year tradition of ringing bell when get grad school acceptance or job.

Money - every incoming student gets $25k “merit” money, and out of state students get $3k on top of that. This makes the school as affordable as a UC for us, but with a bespoke education that would be more tailored to our daughter. Not to mention, there is a real possibility D26 would get additional merit on top of that.

Overall, the school was almost a perfect fit for what our kid is looking for. Small school with collaborative environment, diverse, great support, kids who love learning, international, career and leadership supports but not overbearing or cookie cutter. The only downsides are that the population is very regional with most students from Georgia and vast majority from Southeast. But, it has skyrocketed to being one of the top two schools on D26s list. Given that she had never been to Georgia before this visit, pretty great visit overall. Regardless of what happens, Agnes Scott is a gem of a school.

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D26 and I did a whirlwind tour of the Southeast. Some surprises.

Emory Oxford–Great! But down and off.

We went to Emory Oxford and were surprised at how nice the campus was. The info session was also very good and the tour was decent with a very genuine, but very unpolished student guide. The interiors of the buildings were beautiful, Oxford has magnificent new dorms (although some are older and we did not see them), and people were very nice all around. The food was pretty good too. The only problem was that Emory Oxford is TINY. As small as the smallest LACs. For this reason and this reason alone, my daughter will strike Oxford from her list. She prefers her LACs to be at least 2K in population and Emory Oxford is more like 1K–the size of a mid-sized high school.

Emory Main Campus–Way up!

Emory had BEAUTIFUL buildings on the outside and on the inside. Its white marble buildings are a nice departure from the usual “American red brick campus.” Emory also gave the best info session that we have seen yet—and we are approaching 20 separate tours. Emory had INCREDIBLY friendly people too. A quick story illustrates. We were walking by a dorm (outside of a tour) and went inside. We asked a student manning the front desk if we could see a dorm room. She said that she could not show us a room because she was on duty and had to stay at her desk. However, she told us that she was ending her shift in 15 minutes and that she would show us some dorms then. This wonderful woman took us to ALL of Emory’s freshman dorms and showed us around. She was also a delight to chat with and we spent 40 minutes with her. The dorms were excellent, except for one which was absolutely terrible with cockroaches in it. The contrast in quality was jarring. So your odds are good, but there is always that chance… Emory went way up and is on my daughter’s list, but not to ED levels. Good food too.

Furman–UP

This visit was the shocker. Furman has a really great campus (lush and green) with buildings that are nice on the outside and even nicer on the inside. The info session was pretty good, albeit a little canned with the AO asking a student panel questions that were obviously pre-planned. Still, Furman struck us as a school that is going places. They seemed organized, self-aware and focused on the right things. The food was really good too. The campus is a little odd in one sense. It is laid out on the side of Swan Lake and it makes the campus really long and skinny. So walking distances are tremendous for such a small school. For part of the tour, you travel in golf carts, the distances are so great. The housing was amazing, however, and Furman really takes pride in it. It was probably the best student housing that we have seen yet.

Now for the disappointments.

Wake Forest–DOWN and almost out

I am, perhaps, a victim of my own high expectations. I have a number of friends who went to Wake and loved it. So D26 and I were expecting big things. Wake immediately disappointed by having a campus that was locked up like a tomb. We simply could not get into many buildings. What was weird was that the campus was filled with people. But everyone had keycards and could get into the buildings. The few buildings that we got into were really average on the inside. We felt that the campus was top-tier looking on the outside, but the buildings were lackluster on the inside. Then we did the info session and tour. The info session was just OK. The tour guide was great but, amazingly, we went into almost no buildings. Just the gym, a science building, and one other building that I am forgetting. We were blown away by what a waste of time this was. No dorms. No dining hall. No library. No student center. No chapel. To be fair, the library and student center were being renovated, but we could have gone into the dorms, chapel and the dining hall. We later went back and ate at the dining hall and it was good. My daughter will probably still apply, but Wake fell to the bottom of her list.

Davidson College–DOWN AND OUT

This was another one that D26 and I had high hopes for. But Davidson was even more locked up than Wake was—but worse, it had almost no people walking around either. Just a dead campus. The science center, gym, and student center were the only buildings that were open. The tour would take us to all of these buildings plus one academic building to see the Honor Code signatures (yawn), one Arts building, and the dining hall. The dining hall was easily the worst college building that we have seen yet—and the tour guide said he didn’t love the food. The science building was VERY nice, but it stood out compared to the run down interiors of all of the other buildings. D26 and I kept asking each other “What is Davidson College doing with all that money?” We couldn’t see it. Something seems WAY off about Davidson. Furman had MUCH better facilities. The Davidson tour wound up being just like Wake Forest’s tour. We went all over campus and somehow still saw very little. D26 could not wait to leave. Me either, to be honest. The town is Davidson is picture postcard cute and we really enjoyed that. But D26 will not apply to Davidson and I am glad of it.

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S26 and I just spent three days seeing a bunch of East Coast schools…

Northeastern: Up for both of us. I toured Northeastern in 2021 with D22 and didn’t love it (and neither did she). But we were drawn back for S26 because they have a good Explore program for undecided students, and because several friends have since shared the great experiences their kids are having.

Northeastern’s pitch is that there seems to be infinite ways to complete your degree—so many campuses, so many combined degrees, coops, study abroad programs. And I was impressed by the number of advisors each student has access to (an Explore advisor, Coop Advisor, Academic Advisor, Global Studies Advisor). My friend told me that her D’s advisor flew to Scotland (she was starting in Scotland as part of NU.in) to sit with her D and map out a 4 year plan with her. In the tour, S26 loved the huge maker space—robots, model rockets, prosthetic limbs all on display—it’s a pretty amazing building, architecturally too. The dorm we saw was teeny tiny, and I’m not sure there are enough dining halls for so many kids, but S26 was not put off by either of those things. The campus was full of trees and places to hang out. I also appreciated our tour guide’s global experience—making documentaries in Ecuador and studying evolutionary biology in the Galapagos.

I think my S26 might be less “pre professional” than most NU students, but there are things about that culture that are appealing to us, especially for S26 who is thinking about majors like philosophy and math and fine arts, where a career path is not super clear. However, BU might be a better culture fit (we saw BU on a previous visit and he loved it). He will still apply.

Tufts: Down for S26. We only meant to walk around Tufts on our own but ended up tagging along on a tour. S26 first became interested in Tufts bc of the dual degree with SMFA but he is also seeking a rigorous academic experience. We took the train out to the Medford campus. It’s a lovely campus but it didn’t connect with either of us. It was kind of removed from Davis Square (10-15 min walk) and the area immediately surrounding campus was pretty quiet/dead. S26 was also not into the 6 semesters of language/culture class requirement. Our tour guide was sweet and energetic but S26 didn’t relate much to her stories. As he would say, “not a vibe” for him.

Dartmouth: Up! This one was a quick stopover on our way to Middlebury/Burlington. No tour as they don’t seem to give tours until July. But we bumped into a librarian on our walk into campus, and she gave us so much information, even took us by a few buildings and gave us directions to see things in the main library. S26 was rather smitten. He loved the majestic reading rooms in the Baker Berry library, along with the Book Arts and the murals in the basement. The wide open green was stunning on a sunny summer day, and we liked how the campus was directly across from a handful of shops and restaurants. The campus was also fairly active with students since rising juniors must spend summer on campus—and S26 thought they looked like people he would be interested in knowing. He likes fashion, music, art, and he saw kids in cool band t-shirts, eclectic outfits, pink hair—just a general sense that people were into taking care with their look. This was a surprise win for us—S26 has gravitated toward larger city schools and Dartmouth is certainly not that. But he does love a forest and being in nature so it appealed to that side of him. Our research later confirmed that there’s a big rock climbing club, great art studio facilities, and top philosophy and math departments—so S26 is excited about those things.

Middlebury: Down. This is a beautiful campus—rolling green hills, gray stone architecture. Definitely exudes wealth and country club/boarding school kind of refinement. Also: languages. Middlebury runs a Summer Language School (for the broader community) so we were surrounded by students engaged in these programs on campus. Our tour guide reinforced Middlebury’s passion for languages throughout the tour, saying she couldn’t really talk about Middlebury without talking about languages. This was a turnoff for S26, as it was at Tufts (even though you can apparently skip the language requirement at Middlebury). S26 isn’t particularly interested in languages, so the focus on it repeatedly throughout the tour became annoying to him. On another note, this school is loaded and they want you to know it. Lots of mention of perks (they will pay for your ski equipment and lessons if you want to learn to ski; they host a freshman “bingo” night where the prizes are TVs, $1k plane tickets, etc; they will give you $4k each summer to supplement your unpaid or low paid internship, to give a few examples). They also made clear that they love their ED kids and fill over half the class with them. All to say, Middlebury was “not a vibe” for S26. We did enjoy the cute little town—a cremee for me and a good thrift shop find for S26.

University of Vermont Up! This was the last stop on our tour and I was expecting total burnout. But Burlington delivered, and so did UVM. What a fun city! We had a great time eating, shopping and wandering. And UVM is right there, just a few blocks up hill. Everyone we interacted with at the hotel and in restaurants was a student at UVM and happy to talk about how much they loved it. The tour was good—fairly typical but lots of information. The Living and Learning Communities seem like a good way to integrate freshmen into college life. They emphasized the tutoring that’s available if needed—1 hour per week, per class—something I had not heard of at other schools. The honors college also offers some nice perks. They also emphasized that most students come in undecided, and that was nice to hear as S26 is very much undecided. It was nice to feel welcomed in that regard, as some schools/tours seem to assume that everyone knows what they want to study. We also like the size—12k undergrads. Not the huge numbers of UCs (where we live) but big enough to have lots of social opportunity. This is a target/safety school for S26 and we left happy that it would be a positive, fun experience for him.

Today we check him into his pre-college program at Brown. More to come!

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Pitzer - way up! We visited Pitzer a few months ago, while school was still in session, along with Pomona college and Scripps. Before the visit, Pitzer was bottom of the list of those three, by the time we left, it had shot to the top of the list for D26. I can’t speak for D26 on this piece, but given the social responsibility and environmental sustainability core values of the school, us parents were expecting the a bit of an annoying self-righteous vibe from the students, perhaps with some wealthy kid performative do gooder vibes thrown in (I know, bad stereotyping of people I’ve never met, based on very little). We ended up meeting a fair number of students while on campus, and did not get that feeling at all. Rather, they mostly came across as nice kids who were passionate about something, many of them passionate about making a positive difference in the world.

Big picture on Pitzer, it is a bit of a niche school. Unlike most colleges, they have clearly articulated core values that are central to who they are and who is likely to be attracted to the school (those core values are: Social Responsibility; Intercultural Understanding; Interdisciplinary Learning; Student Engagement; and Environmental Sustainability). The school was founded as a women’s college in the 1960s, and the ethos of the place very much still reflects the values of that era in which it was founded. On our visit, we felt everything fit together well with the core values they articulated and that ethos resonated strongly with D26 (and us as well frankly). In both the info session, on the tour, and with random students we talked to, the themes of the place came up again and again, which made it feel like there is a true sense of identity which happens to align with what D26 is looking for. I’ll try to give a sense of some of that below.

The Campus - The Claremont Colleges are about an hour east of LA, in what is naturally desert. You would not know that from looking at Pomona and Scripps, campuses which are both gorgeous, but are lush and full of more water intensive plants one would see on a typical beautiful east coast campus or somewhere with more water. The Pitzer campus fully embraces the desert landscape, with native plants and desert scaping basically everywhere except for a few grassy mounds on campus. The building design perfectly matches that aesthetic in my opinion, with a very mid-century modern feel for the most part. Probably the most stunning feature of the campus is the freshman dorm quad. It has three dorms, again with a midcentury feel (though clearly newer), surrounding a quad. And in the middle of that quad is an absolutely gorgeous pool with lounge chairs around it. Over the top of the dorm on the one side, is a view of the mountains. We were there on a sunny Thursday afternoon, and there were a bunch of students sitting on the lounge chairs with books and laptops, as well as some reading while halfway in the pool. It was an incredible scene and quintessentially southern California. There are photos of the quad online, it is stunningly gorgeous! I know that some people really do not like the desert scape/modern aesthetic, but we all love it. I’ve seen on here and other places some folks describe the dorms with their outdoor hallways as feeling/seeming like a motel. I fervently disagree with that take, to me it much more felt like a Palm Springs resort. The outdoor hallway is not just for motels in SoCal. The physical design of the college is very grounded in the place where it is, and we all loved that. And, it’s not just the look that tied into the core values. While the dorms have AC, and split doors so you can just open the top for folks to see in if you like. The AC is hooked up so that it shuts off if the door is open in order to preserve energy in an environmentally responsible way. At the gym, the workout machines are hooked up to generate energy from the energy students put out. There is a community garden and I believe an offsite garden where some of the food is grown. And, though I was not really a fan of this part D26 really was, there are walls throughout campus where students can do murals and one wall that I think is more of a free art wall. Some of it was fairly political, which both resonated with D26, and is consistent with what the school purports itself to be. So, the campus was a 10 out of 10 for all of us. While Pomona and Scripps are beautiful in the typical college campus way, Pitzer’s was an ideal Southern California campus aesthetic.

Students - There were three things that really resonated with D26 about the students. First, as mentioned earlier, many of then really seemed to have passions. Some for work they were doing with the community (including some doing stuff with a project they have where folks in Prison can get their degree; others on a water project locally, some were doing something with farm workers). Second, there seemed to be a fair number of quirky kids who were into doing their own thing and charting their own path. Third, they seemed to be collaborative and supportive of each other rather than competitive. Overall, she had the impression that the students were doing what they were doing because it excited them and they had a community of friends supporting them. They were not focused on grades or prestige elements, but doing what mattered to them which she really connected with. While on campus, we noticed how often students were greeting each other in a joyful way, the sense of community felt really strong.

Curriculum - it seemed to have some structure with a lot of flexibility and ability to individualize things which she liked. Lots of study abroad options, some through Pitzer directly and others you could connect with or find your own if none of those suit you. She liked that they have “field groups” rather than departments, highlighting the interdisciplinary nature of their approach, which D26 loves as an undecided with lots of interest. In truth, I don’t know if the field groups makes any real difference compared to departments, but it resonated with D26 and if nothing else the distinct naming convention was consistent with the messaging of their interdisciplinary core value. And, for science, they have a brand new Science Center that they share with Scripps. D26 has interest in science, and the idea that her science classes would be predominantly women due to Scripps being a women’s college, was a huge plus for her even if she ultimately does not major in science. And of course, this is not unique to Pitzer, but the fact that the Claremont Consortium allows her to take classes across the schools was a huge draw for D26 for all of the Claremonts. She asked about both Pitzer students taking classes at other schools and how cross-polinated Pitzer classes are. I think she was told that on average Pitzer students take about 40% of their classes at other campuses, and there was not a cap for that. And, that in a lot of Pitzer classes a good chunk of the students are from other campuses. Students said for the most part, they often don’t even know which campus students in their classes are from for awhile, that it is really seemless. They did mention that some classes in some areas on other campuses are restricted or hard to get into if not impossible but most areas it is not an issue.

Admissions - small point, but Pitzer is test-free (don’t take SAT or ACT scores) and has been that way since before the pandemic apparently, and was test optional for quite some time. D26 is applying to schools without test scores, so someplace that is test-free not because they were forced to go test-optional in pandemic, but as something that they did on their own, resonated with her.

The Town - This is not unique to Pitzer and would apply to all of the claremont colleges. Claremont is an adorable little college town, with plenty of restaurants and shops. It has some upscale places that won’t work for students, but plenty of places that D26 could imagine herself going and hanging out, coffee shops, lunch spots, a little mall like area and some thrifting spots. D26 thought she could easily see herself living there for 4 years and having it as a home base.

Summary - The Pitzer visit was fantastic. D26 felt she got a real sense of the community and its values and loved what she learned. We also think it would be a great fit for her. From the visit it went from third choice Claremont to the top of her list of schools overall. Right now, a few months later after more visits, Pitzer and Agnes Scott are at the top of her list for different reasons. The downside of Pitzer for us as parents is that it is one of her most expensive choices for sure. We will not be eligible for need based aid, and they give minimal to no merit aid (even compared to Scripps where D26 would have a shot at merit aid). So, that may be a factor in the end. To be clear, we are in the fortunate position where we can afford to send D26 to Pitzer, but there are reasons we may decide that is not the way to go. But, that is a problem for another day, the point of this post was to sing the praises of how Pitzer really did impress us. It is definitely not a school for everybody, but for the right kid like D26, it seems great!

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Emory - way down, probably off. I’ll make this one shorter, and shared some of this in another thread. Some of it could have just been the particulars of our visit, but the consistent themes of that visit made it seem that Emory was not a good fit for D26 and most things about the visit turned her off from the school.

The campus was beautiful and seemed to have great facilities. But, the vibe felt too pre-professional and almost transactional to her. Both the admissions counselor and the tour guide spent a lot of time focused on all the business/corporate connections Emory has, and the admissions counselor spoke about it in a return on investment for how expensive it is terms, in a way that turned her (and frankly me and my wife off). Lots of discussion about the professional schools, pre-med, those who go to law school, MBAs, how much consulting jobs and others pay folks straight out of school. There is nothing wrong with any of that, and in fact my daughter is interested in developing a career direction in college, but it felt too focused on money way (the fact that they have a “Coke toast” sponsored by Coca-cola corporation as part of orientation, and highlighted that in the info session didn’t help). Both Atlanta schools we visited talked about connections to local employers for internships, employment, etc. But, Agnes Scott talked about it in a way of helping folks find and explore what they want to do and supporting them on that path, while Emory felt like it was essentially like, “look how many rich friends we have, we’ll connect them to you so you can be rich too.” To be clear, I don’t think that was their intent, and I certainly don’t think that is the heart of what it would be like to be a student there, I’m sure it would be a good place to go to school. But, that is how it came across to my daughter (and to us too honestly), so it really was not a good fit for her.

For me, it very much reminded me of how I felt about Penn when I was looking at colleges back in the dark ages. It was very preprofessional with a lot of folks who came across as their main focus seemed to be making money, and I was not about that life. I loved learning and valued trying to do something that made a difference for others more than just accumulating as much wealth as possible. So, Penn was a hard no for me. I saw a lot of me in how D26 responded to Emory’s pitch.

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Tufts – Down, but not Off

The info session was long, kind of boring and had no A/V. It was impressive, in its way, that the AO spoke for 65 minutes straight without a deck. They did a solid job of explaining the school and covering Tuft specifics (language requirements, etc.). I liked little was super generic explanation of “college” or how applications work. They did give wildly low estimates for SATs/ACTs..I think she said average was like 1300 and 28 (!?)… maybe that was so 1998. This is very different than their website/CDS.

The tour itself felt very generic, though. I didn’t get much of a sense of what makes the school unique or exciting. I know several younger alums who are all amazing and loved Tufts, but the tour was kind of blah. Guide clearly liked the school though!

I thought this might be a big hit, but kid was unimpressed. It is early days, though.

Colorado School of Mines – WAY UP
None of us knew much about Mines (or Golden), but my kid lit up from the start of the info session through the end of the tour. The school has so many fun traditions—the fight song is hilarious, they have silver diplomas, bringing a 10lb rock from home, etc. They really lean into their geekiness: the dining hall is called “The Periodic Table,” with square element stickers on every table, and they play real-life Battleship in pools using canoes. Other highlights included the big indoor rock-climbing wall and shuttles to ski areas. While that is not unique, was good for my kid.

The AO leading the info session was funny, kind, and informative, and really highlighted what makes Mines unique.. (FWIW, they really highlighted demonstrated interest for others considering..)

The campus offers great mountain views, and I liked that the campus felt self-contained. you don’t have to cross many streets or interact with cars in the main areas….They’re building a big housing complex for second years and will institute a two-year housing requirement (I prefer that for community building, especially as an out-of-state family). I believe that requirement applies to incoming students as well.

Homework sounded manageable, with solid career outcomes you’d expect for a STEM school. We saw several academic buildings—all nice—and I appreciated that they showed us a “bad” dorm, not just the nicest ones. We also got a great tour of the engineering workshop areas.

Golden itself is close and charming, with shops, restaurants, and cafes.

It’s a short ride to the light rail which will bring you to Denver.

UC Boulder - off
I didn’t go on this tour with my kid, but they thought it was boring and generic. That’s about all I got out of them! I did walk through on my own afterward, and I thought the campus was pretty. Boulder seems like a great town/small city to live in, though the main shopping/food street is not super duper close to campus.

Colorado College - off (but never really on)
This was a drive-by since we were in the area, but the main downtown of Colorado Springs is incredibly empty. I’m not sure we even saw one open restaurant or coffee shop in the main core. The neighborhood around CC is much more charming. But overall, the city was a huge turn-off. my 27 likely wants engineering so this was likely never going to make the list.

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