@mcat2, count me in with the dinosaurs who learned from Knuth, those who thought getting 2 compiles in a day was a luxury and thought that a debugger that would tell you which line of code blew up and with what error was making it easy peasy :).
DS, majoring in CS at Yale, learned more in his first few CS classes than I picked up over many years. The math is intense. Yale gets little respect for its CS program, but I think they remember that the S in CS stands for Science.
Not intending any disrespect, but my wife and I had administrative assistants who could do a pivot table quite well, and were paid for it, but it wasn’t considered IT, much less CS.