<p>"The sin is that pregnant girls are told–dont abort, place your child up for adoption if you do not believe you can raise the child.</p>
<p>Drive US 35 from Texas and on up to Nebraska. There are repeated signs with this message. And, it is bull. "</p>
<p>With all due respect, I think what you are arguing is “bull.” You still haven’t told me how many INFANTS – not 3-4 year olds – are placed for adoption AT BIRTH but remain unadopted because they are the wrong color or have some health issues. MOST babies are healthy, especially babies born to young healthy women, and MOST mothers who place their infants for adoption are able to choose the parents who will adopt their baby.</p>
<p>Bay, BC is used to treat ovarian cysts. I don’t know if those are life-threatening, but they can destroy fertility, not to mention causing excrutiating pain. If you want to know what life is like if you have ovarian cysts and can’t get BC, please see romanigypsyeyes’ post in this thread.</p>
<p>^^^^Yes, I HAD ovarian cysts that required treatment with bc pills. This was in the days before viagra, ie, before bc was routinely covered by insurance, and I had to pay out of pocket.</p>
<p>I think claremarie is right here. Healthy infants, and even infants with health problems, of any race or mix of races end up quickly adopted. </p>
<p>But so what? Women and girls who believe abortion is murder should certainly not have abortions (although some of them do). But women and girls with unwanted pregnancies who do not believe abortion is murder are not baby factories. They should make their choice considering what is best for them. </p>
<p>The fact is, placing your baby for adoption is a difficult choice for most women, and for many women, it causes lifelong pain. Now, obviously, if you’re pregnant, you believe abortion is murder and you think you can’t possibly care for your baby, you just have to suck it up and place the baby for adoption. You can’t murder someone just to prevent your pain.</p>
<p>But if you don’t believe abortion is murder, you have no such ethical dilemma. You might choose to carry the baby to term and place it for adoption, knowing the joy you’ll bring to its adoptive parents. Or, you might say to yourself, their joy doesn’t balance out eight more months of my feeling sick and getting huge followed by a lifetime of wondering how my child is. And then, you might choose to abort. Or, you might plan to give up your child, and then realize at the end that you can’t do it, and you’ve put your child and yourself in a hard life. Or you might choose to keep your child, even though you aren’t in a good life situation to raise a child.</p>
<p>Realizing you have an unwanted pregnancy is not a blissful situation, and very likely the woman will feel that she has only bad choices. Which is why I don’t want women to be in that situation.</p>
<p>“But women and girls with unwanted pregnancies who do not believe abortion is murder are not baby factories. They should make their choice considering what is best for them.”</p>
<p>And they do. Half of them choose abortion, although most of them would not describe it as a choice among several options, but as the only recourse open to them. And most of those women don’t feel happy about that choice. </p>
<p>The other half carry their pregnancies to term, and very few of them place their babies for adoption. They have, therefore, made the choice that they consider to be best for them, even though many would question their decision. And many more would regard their earlier choice against contraception to be a bad one. But “choice” is supposed to be the hallmark of reproductive rights. </p>
<p>I think that many participants in this debate are projecting their own values onto women who simply don’t share them. The notion that every pregnancy must be carefully and strategically planned isn’t part of the mindset of many, many women (and even more men, it would seem) in this country.</p>
<p>I don’t understand your point, claremarie. That is, everything you say about women with unwanted pregnancies is true, but I don’t understand what you think I am supposed to conclude from it. Women make mistakes or their birth control fails, and then they are pregnant. And then they have to figure out what to do. How does that demonstrate that they don’t think pregnancy should be planned?</p>
<p>I’m not talking about women who deliberately don’t use birth control, knowing that a baby might come along that they’d welcome. I’m talking about women and girls who don’t want a baby, but who don’t know enough about sex, or are careless, or can’t get contraception even though they want it, or whose contraception fails, or who are victims of attackers. How are we to conclude that those women don’t think pregnancy should be planned?</p>
<p>True, it’s a drug that has many uses besides contraception. The rules and proposed laws that I’ve seen don’t say, “We’ll cover this drug, but only for non-contraceptive purposes.” They say, “We won’t cover it, period.” Where does that leave women who need it for other medical purposes?</p>
So you’re saying that your unsupportable train of thought about Christians, race, and adoption was, in fact, an example of your personal opinion of that group? Just like this new straw man?</p>
<p>“And self-funded employers ARE exempt from state mandates (by ERISA).”</p>
<p>And so the feds looked and saw what the self-funded plans did - because they include some of the largest insurance plans in the country. They looked at the Boeings and the Weyerhausers and the Catholic Charities and the Catholic health systems and saw that they routinely covered contraception, and saw that the religious institutions with all-Catholic boards including priests and monsignors and nuns didn’t object - in fact, they advertised the coverage - and so then they adopted rules. </p>
<p>And 67% of Catholics support the rules, and 72% of women (the CBS poll didn’t break out Catholic women, but I suspect it was even higher than that; after all, they are more likely to have abortions without it.) And even the majority of Republicans. They all understand that was is happening is an attack on health care for more than half of the population.</p>
<p>“I’m talking about women and girls who don’t want a baby, but who don’t know enough about sex, or are careless, or can’t get contraception even though they want it, or whose contraception fails, or who are victims of attackers. How are we to conclude that those women don’t think pregnancy should be planned?”</p>
<p>Because, contrary to what we’ve been led to believe, there aren’t many women who WANT contraception who can’t get it. And there aren’t many women who conceive as a result of rape. What do exist are millions of women who don’t think like collegeconfidential posters do about pregnancy – they aren’t desperately trying to conceive because they waited until age 38 to even consider pregnancy, they aren’t trying to time pregnancies to coincide with tenure or partnership decisions, they haven’t done extensive research on the ideal spacing of the ideal number of children, they aren’t strategic enough to take pills every day even though their sexual partner is not always around, they don’t always remember to use the diaphragm, and they aren’t absolutely opposed to having children if they aren’t married or if their household income is substantially below $100K. They live in the moment, and even if they aren’t thrilled about being pregnant when they see the positive test, they somehow make it work. </p>
<p>IOW, they actually DON’T think that pregnancy should always be planned. If they did, then they would behave differently.</p>
<p>“Because, contrary to what we’ve been led to believe, there aren’t many women who WANT contraception who can’t get it.”</p>
<p>Thanks to the evolution of insurance mandates, and with them the evolution of insurance practices. And, YES, thank heavens for Planned Parenthood! (which has likely prevented more abortions among Catholics than every bishop and archbishop and papal proclamation in the country.)</p>
<p>This line of reasoning is the same as saying people who are fat want to be fat. Because if they didn’t, they would behave differently. And yet, I’m right here looking at the few extra pounds around my middle and assuring you that I really, really don’t want them to be there. And the 16-year-old crying when she sees the positive pregnancy test really, really doesn’t want to be pregnant.</p>
<p>I rode over to the beach and back today-- sixty miles on the bike with 5700 feet of elevation gain. I don’t think lack of exercise is an issue. ;)</p>