Cornell = Toughest Ivy to graduate from

[Figgy]

<p>Wait…SIX years? That’s a long time…</p>

[mercury]

<p>“Before September of Sixth Year”</p>

<p>Essentially, graduating in 5 full years, or percent who take up to an extra year to graduate.</p>

[richs73cas]

<p>They are measuring 6 Full years.
In figure 2 of the report they show that for the Class that entered in Fall 1999 84% graduated in 4 years or less.
6% graduated during the 5th year and
2% graduated during the 6th year</p>

<p>Entering Fall of 1999 (September)
1st year Sept of 2000
2nd year Sept of 2001
3rd year Sept of 2002
4th year Sept of 2003
5th year Sept of 2004
6th year Sept of 2005</p>

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The retention concept underlying this report is based on a six-year period from the point a student first matriculated in one of Cornell’s seven undergraduate colleges to the time of graduation. The methods employed in this research design are similar to those employed in retention research in most national studies. The research behind this report was conducted so that students who graduate within four, five, or six years are distinguished. Students who did not graduate from any of Cornell’s seven undergraduate colleges within six years of entering are classified in the attrition group, although a number are either currently enrolled or subsequently earn a Cornell undergraduate degree.
A year is delineated in terms of the academic calendar and comprises the Fall and Spring semesters and the Summer term. Students appearing in the four-year rate are those receiving degrees earlier than whichever Fall semester would signify the start of their fifth year. The single exception is in the College of Architecture, Art, and Planning where students enrolled in
five-year programs have their time-to-degree window extended by a year. For example, students in five-year degree programs who graduate before the beginning of their sixth year are included among the four-year degree recipients. This was done in the interest of comparability since these students have made the same progress toward their degrees as those candidates for degrees normally requiring only four years of study.

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<p>US News uses the six year Graduation Rate as part of it’s rankings:

Graduation rate performance (5 percent; only in national universities and liberal arts colleges). This indicator of “added value” shows the effect of the college’s programs and policies on the graduation rate of students after controlling for spending and student aptitude. We measure the difference between a school’s six-year graduation rate for the class that entered in 1998 and the predicted rate for the class.

<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/about/06rank.php[/url]”>http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/about/06rank.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[Figgy]

<p>Wow I could never think about graduating in 6 years</p>

[Ivy_07]

<p>rich73cas, Columbia is not an ivy league school, so how can it be the toughest ivy to get out of?</p>

[3togo]

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rich73cas, Columbia is not an ivy league school, so how can it be the toughest ivy to get out of?

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<p>I think that is news to the folks at the <em>8</em> IVY League schools … <a href=“http://www.ivyleaguesports.com/[/url]”>http://www.ivyleaguesports.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[greenmem]

<p>Or possibly you could go to the IVY LEAGUE forum and see Columbia there…</p>

[MUnited]

<p>lol…that dang name recognition thing</p>

[intuit2k2]

<p>After spending one year at Cornell, what I have found is that students aren’t literally cuttin anyone’s throat to get grades. </p>

<p>But what I have noticed is that due to the racial demographics in the school and popularity of the engineering and the hard sciences where a lot of the classes are harshly curved creates a cut throat atmostphere for some, especially people like me who fall in the middle and at times below the curve. I think a lot of the students here still have something to prove. I also see a huge disparity between the top of the class and the students at the bottom, and the teachers exploit that by making harder exams and giving longer assignments. So especially if you’re premed or Engineering… and if you think that you would be above that curve, then you should think really hard before enrolling.

• that’s my two cents.</p>

[PaxonIB]

<p>i read that too. i read it in " The insider’s guide to the colleges 2005 students on campus tell you what you really want to know" </p>

<p>the direct quote is " Cornell is the easiest Ivy to get into, and the hardest to graduate from"</p>

[MUnited]

<p>okay, i’ll take that it is tough, but I kind of doubt that it is impossible</p>

[mercury]

<p>Umm, on the contrary, intuit, if you’re above the curve, then you should have no worries enrolling.</p>

[MUnited]

<p>okay, does this idea apply only to courses specific for the major, or for the core classes too. Also, does anyone know about the work requirement for operations research?</p>

[mercury]

<p>Chill the **** out and experience it when you get here like everybody else.</p>

[MUnited]

<p>Im kind of surprised that Johns Hopkins is even 88%, you would think that half the kids would run away before the year was out</p>

[MUnited]

<p>I just find it hilarious that Engineering has a higher graduation rate than A&S or Hotel, you would think that it would be the other way around. However, AA&P is just plain brutal.</p>

<p>Another surprising thing is that engineering, A&S and AA&P have a large number of students with a GPA> 2.00, but the other colleges have a large number below 2.00.</p>

[gomestar]

<p>AAP has the 5-year arch. program, so rule that one out</p>

[intuit2k2]

<p>Yeah, If you think you’ll be in the middle or anywhere below… you shouldn’t enroll!</p>

[mercury]

<p>I wouldn’t say that at all. The benefits of a better education, better college experience, and better job/grad opportunities far outweigh putting in a little more work. Isn’t that what challenging yourself is all about? It’s not impossible! If you get in, you’re good enough to handle the work.</p>

[Fahood]

<p>Right… but if everything is curved, then it’s not about how smart you are. It is about your relative intelligence and work ethic, and if you want to go on to grad school, you need to be sure not to destroy yourself by being on the lower end of those curves.</p>