<p>Where us there any evidence to suggest that he went through rehab to placate his girlfriend or family? That seems both unfounded and unkind.</p>
<p>Is a " live in sober counselor " covered by insurance? If not, very few could afford such a luxury. Of course Cory could have.</p>
<p>I think the traveling on his own comment referred to the same idea as the “live in sober”. People recently out of rehab are very vulnerable and should probably have someone with them to try to prevent relapse.</p>
<p>^^That’s why many go to a sober house after rehab.</p>
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I think those with experience who have posted here would concur that in the case of heroin/alcohol addiction, a mere month in rehab was not an adequate foundation for a resumption of normal activities. Apparently while in Vancouver he slipped right back into drug/alcohol use, so travel without being accompanied and monitored by a sober companion or a loved one was a disastrous decision in this case.</p>
<p>Addicts will find ways to use even being monitored if they want to.</p>
<p>Addicts, who are using, are also typically world class liars and manipulators. They may be kind and giving and charming in every other aspect of their lives, but when it comes to figuring out how to use, they will say anything and do anything. That is the horror of being close to someone who can’t stop using. You think they should be able to stop for you, because they love you, but they can’t, even though stopping is the thing they want to do more than anything in the world, except to use. It is like asking someone to stop breathing for you. </p>
<p>It would not surprise me if Cory entered rehab for someone other than himself. It never works that way. His friends and family will suffer a lot of guilt. I hope they can soon accept that there is likely nothing they could have done.</p>
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<p>MommaJ, #57, I suppose you got the logic of why situation this seems better for Lea Michele, but that you forgot to include her emotions. Love doesn’t always work that way. We all have flaws; glad my DH overlooked mine before he proposed.</p>
<p>Addicts *can *recover.
Im married to one.
For 32 years. 
This guy abused his body so much, his pancreas burst.
[Duff</a> McKagan / Home](<a href=“http://duff-itssoeasy.com/]Duff”>http://duff-itssoeasy.com/)
Then he decided he hit bottom.</p>
<p>Just like when I had expectations for my kids, my spouse & myself, I cared less about the motivation behind doing what needed to be done, than I did about it just getting it done.</p>
<p>It isn’t important that his motives for entering rehab were complex as much as it does that he took that very big step.
Its a shame when people are threatened by your sobriety and attempt to derail it.</p>
<p>What you say in post #66 is all true, Cartera. Friends and family may enlist the assistance if an interventionist to get a person who is in denial into treatment. Often addicts so not go onto treatment willingly but often they do. We simply do not know what his attitude toward his treatment was. I recommend we exercise caution and discretion when trying to shift from general statements about addiction to individual accusations about any one person.</p>
<p>Addicts are always recovering whether it’s 1 day or 32 years and hitting bottom is death.</p>
<p>Generally- " hitting bottom" refers to an event after which they figure the only way out is up.
Death takes away that choice.
You can change the way your brain is wired.Ive seen it.</p>
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<p>No accusation about anyone. I said it wouldn’t surprise me and it wouldn’t.</p>
<p>Hitting bottom suggests that there is one for everyone - that is not death. For many, the bottom is illusory because it is based on what someone else thinks is the worst that can happen, when to the addict, the worst that can happen is being without drugs. There can be many bottoms, and many attempts to find a way out. For many, there is always a deeper bottom, until death.</p>
<p>There are addicts who will not recover regardless of any intervention and Cory may have been one.</p>
<p>Cartera-
Apologies. Your post did not reference the motives of any one person. That was commented elsewhere. Sorry to confuse.</p>
<p>Unfortunately yes, many addicts do not successfully break their addiction. But many do. There are many successful nicotine addicts who stop smoking. Some substances are harder to get away from than others. And personality dynamics can play into their ability to succeed or not as well. Some require many attempts before they succeed. Others sadly do not succeed. Some truly want to, others may not, or may fail several treatment courses before succeeding. All I was saying was that there was at this time no evidence to suggest that he was in treatment to placate others. Thought it might be better not to make such statements so soon after his death. I recall the harsh statements that some made right after Kennedy’s death. While the circumstances are different, my thought is that it’s perhaps a bit more respectful not to speak harshly of the newly deceased.</p>
<p>Ack-- its too early in the morning to post with out my addiction-- my morning cup of coffee! 
My discomfort was making an assumption/statement that " he had no intention of making his recovery work." Seems unnecessary to make that assumption/accusation, especially so soon after his death, with no evidence to support that. Thats what bothers me.</p>
<p>Heroin addiction is a particularly difficult addiction to beat. Many treatment programs are a traditional 28 day model but then have stepdown transitions to 3/4 way houses and 1/2 way houses, etc. Maybe he was getting pressure to return to the set to film the show. Maybe he was a bit to grandiose and thought he had a better handle on is recovery than he did. Or maybe yes, perhaps he was a garden variety manipulative, lying addict. We just dont know. But let him cool in his grave a bit (well metaphorically speaking-- as he was cremated) before stomping on his grave (again metaphorically).</p>
<p>**ETA- Yes he should have had the aftercare follow-up. Inpatient detox and stabilization is not enough. There is plenty of data to support that.</p>
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<p>Absolutely right. For someone to think that upon leaving rehab he immediately returned “to his old haunts” and “slipped right back into drug/alcohol use” with no loved ones around, is presumptuous. I realize that that is what people do when they discuss others whom they don’t know but really, is it at all helpful to the discussion to make such assumptions? We don’t know that this is what happened. He’s been out of rehab and travelling for various work-related events for two months, in addition to visiting the organizations he’s involved with, and this last trip included that as well as several days spent with friends on a hiking trip. He had loved ones with him up until probably hours prior to his death.</p>
<p>I won’t speculate on what Cory’s intention towards his recovery and long term sobriety was. What I do know is a red flag went up when the initial article I read stated he had checked into the hotel, was spending time with friends, however had family in town. Not that my logic makes any difference whatsoever, but if someone has gone through any struggle if you make the choice to stay in a hotel to visit friends as opposed to staying with family while visiting those friends you’re setting yourself up for zero safeguards. While perhaps not as convenient to the places they wanted to go, certainly it gives you the extra accountability (like a full time sobriety coach would) if you have to come home to family at some point in the evening/early morning. When you make a choice beforehand NOT to take advantage of that you’re not making the safest decision you could be early in your recovery.</p>
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<p>Again, we don’t know enough to know what the safest decisions were for his recovery. Being around family is not the safest place for all addicts. In fact, being around family can be a trigger instead of a safe haven for some. In order to be alone to use, an addict can absolutely convince you that they are fine and that everything is great and that they have no thoughts of using. Even if he had stayed in the same room with a family member or friend, they would have likely let him go to the bathroom alone. That’s all it takes. My ex was great at it “Do you really have so little trust? What does that say about our relationship? Do you not believe that “we” are the most important thing to me? I can’t believe you think I would jeopardize that. I guess you don’t really support me as much as you say you do.” etc etc etc. I can hear those words now and I felt like a fool for believing them but I wanted to so badly. He didn’t die but it may have been sheer luck that he didn’t.</p>