I’m not surprised. These are different times. And I’m relieved. Predator.
Of course the witness/accuser hates him! He drugged and raped her @momofthreeboys ! I am really trying hard to understand what you are saying.
Do you mean that the victim should not have waited so long to accuse him, that that is unfair?
Do you mean that she should not have gone on a date or whatever, with a married man unless she was okay with having sexual relations with him?
I really try to be open-minded and NOT react to stories or politics with a knee-jerk reaction, so please help me out.
Do you think Cosby should have been found not guilty because he was truly innocent? Or not guilty because he has done so much good? Or are you okay with him being found guilty but did not like the manner in which the trial was conducted?
I, too, am sad that the actor I thought we knew had a dark side. I did admire what he did for education and his efforts to encourage higher education and the importance of family etc. But all those good things don’t give him a pass on drugging and taking advantage of women.
Where I live, a well known attorney was just found guilty of shooting his wife from the back seat of their SUV, driven by a friend at the time. The jury didn’t buy that it was an accident or due to a sleep disorder. The news interview of one of the jurors was very interesting. Wonder if they will allow news media to interview any of the jurors in the Cosby case?
I have no idea what you are talking about to be honest but you tagged me. I have not commented about the trial at all. I am sure it was handled fairly and if not it will come out in appeal. I had no clue which way it would come out like most people although I did think Cosby’s attorney made a mistake with some of the name calling against some of women involved that was reported. I did not follow the trial all that closely and I am not a lawyer. I am also not sure why you think I think he should get a pass for his generosity. I did postulate that if institutions give back his donations because they are unwilling to have his name associated with the funds that there will be even more victims unfortunately. He will always be “known” for that just as he will also be known as a sexual predator as I said when obituaries cane up. Did that answer whatever you were attempting to ask? I am not going to repeat my posts again. Read the whole thread.
I was very glad to read the verdict. And happy that he is on house arrest and not free to roam.
I adored him as a child. I probably have his albums memorized. But I heard him speak about 20 years ago and was not at all impressed. He seemed angry and was profane. I realized then that he probably has a dark side that we didn’t see on TV.
You need to remember this was not a one time, isolated incident. Over 35 women that we know of (probably multiples of that number) have come forward to make similar claims. This was his modus operandi, use his fame/power to get close to his victims, drug them, and rape them. This happened over many decades…no way to rationalize his behavior… sometimes evil is just evil…
You can be a fundamentally bad person who does good things.
Cosby won’t be remembered for the good that he did. No one is denying that he did good things. But he’s a bad person who committed heinous crimes. For that, he shall be remembered. And good riddance.
Also, I don’t know why people continue to engage with the person(s) who think that the victims always have it coming. It’s predictable in these threads. Everyone knows it’s coming and everyone knows the responses. Let’s just focus on celebrating the huge win for these women.
Good. Let’s hope this climate is here to stay.
@romanigypsyeyes let’s hope that climate allows other to be found guilty as well. I don’t think anyone has said the victims had it coming, we’ve said the victims played a part in what happened to them. Their role in this was not the same as a woman dressing “provocatively” or having too much to drink. On some level, they did consent when they willingly accepted drugs from him, knowing what those drugs could do. They traded their bodies, but instead of asking for money, they wanted his influence. That doesn’t excuse what he did, but does put it into a different context.
Maybe he’s a bad person that did some good things, or maybe he’s a good person that did some bad things. You are entitled to view him as a fundamentally bad person, but don’t fault those of us that see it the other way around.
" Their role in this was not the same as a woman dressing “provocatively” or having too much to drink. On some level, they did consent when they willingly accepted drugs from him, knowing what those drugs could do. They traded their bodies, but instead of asking for money, they wanted his influence."
That actually is not the way things happened.
BTW, the way a woman dresses, how much she drinks, and what drugs she takes isn’t an invitation that says “rape me”. It does not give consent. If you have sons, make sure they understand that.
On no level does getting high with someone equate to giving consent for them to do whatever they want with your body after you pass out.
Are we still calling women who were raped prostitutes? I thought we’d all become smarter than that. Where in the transcript does it say he asked if they could have sex and they said yes? Oh, wait, nowhere. Because the women were unconscious and we’re incapable of giving consent.
Thank you @doschicos . I was about to post a similar thought. This can not be stated enough.
Sadly, I’m surprised it still needs to be stated to adult women, @FallGirl. I feel like I’m in a time warp and travelled back in time a few decades.
@momofthreeboys II have read the whole thread and I was just puzzled by your comments as in sum, IMHO, I inferred that you were sad that he was found guilty. If that is not the case, as your latest post indicates, it was just not very clear to me.
Even your latest comment refers to the trial being handled fairly, but it was not clear to me that you believe Cosby did something wrong.
Not sure who the 2 were that George Stephanopoulos interviewed on GMA earlier this morning from Cosby’s camp, but the female talked over George and came across, IMO, badly. Didn’t do Cosby any favors.
Not only is Cosby a predator and a rapist - he’s a class-A hypocrite. All those lectures on morality and virtue! To paraphrase the pundits: Just think, while he was deriding kids for wearing baggy pants he was also drugging and raping women. Or as Hannibal Buress said:
No they DID NOT. On ANY level.
And are you aware that many of the women did not accept anything other than a cup of coffee or glass of wine, or a “decongestant” or “antihistamine”, having NO IDEA that they were being drugged?
I think that goes without saying…in the deposition several years ago he admitted to drugging women. Not sure there is anyone aware of this case that doesn’t think he did it. If so, I would be shocked. I think the greater question was, and it’s been answered, is whether a jury could actually convict him given the decades that have passed and the changing awareness surrounding the past. Frankly, being a 60+ year old, in my opinion drugging someone to take advantage of them has always been wrong, even if it wasn’t written into a particular state’s criminal law in the 70s, 80s, etc.
I do feel sad for the actors, production people,universities and others involved in what were wonderful iconic shows. I think it’s entirely possible to be sad as businesses scramble to cope with whether to wipe out all those people’s hard work because of one man. I like to think you can appreciate a body of work for what it is separate from one person out of hundreds who created the body of work.
Neglected to tag @CTScoutmom in post #75.
Yes, yes, yes. Totally agree.
And I’d agree even if only the bad person created the body of work. The art is not the same thing as the artist.
“BTW, the way a woman dresses, how much she drinks, and what drugs she takes isn’t an invitation that says “rape me”. It does not give consent. If you have sons, make sure they understand that.”
YES…this!