<p>“It’s a stupid question because it does not make sense. Again, African American people have always been more than willing to vote for a White candidate,”</p>
<p>as they say in mutual fund world past performance is no guarantee for future returns.</p>
<p>“…past performance is no guarantee for future returns.”</p>
<p>The exception is Hillary. Her entire campaign platform was based on her alleged 35 years of EXPERIENCE ! 
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<p>Simba, are you saying that now that black voters have had a taste of voting for a black candidate, they’ll never go back to white candidates again? That does sound kind of familiar.</p>
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<p>Wait a minute here, there was no African American candidate opposing Bill in 92, 96 that actually had a chance so to say that
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<p>It is in itself mis-construing facts to say African Americans supported Clinton over a decade ago when they had no viable African American Candidate</p>
<p>Some white people will never vote for a black candidate, because of racism. The point is that there don’t seem to be many black people who will never vote for a white candidate because of racism, because they generally do come out and vote for white candidates. They might PREFER a black candidate, but as been explained ad infinitem, that’s not the same as voting against somebody because you look down on people of that race.</p>
<p>Why do we care? There is no viable Clinton currently running for President, and hasn’t been for more than a month.</p>
<p>To get back on topic, Obama can win the GE by winning Ohio (and holding MI/PA) or winning 2 of CO, NV, NM while holding Kerry states. It looks like he’ll pick up Iowa but will lose NH (cancel out) so this is going to be played out in the rust belt and out west.</p>
<p>Simba: This sounds just like James Carville, the nutcase democratic strategist.</p>
<p>“but the fact is that Clintons have done more for the black community than Obama - who just happened to be black. Of course now Clintons are racists.”</p>
<p>Similarly, Carville felt that Bill Richardson owed the Clintons for giving him a job. So by not endorsing Bill’s wife(Hillary), Carville called Richardson a Judas and refused to apologized up to this day.</p>
<p>By the way, when Clinton couldn’t keep his zipper close, blacks were the largest constituency that supported him like Atlas so he could continue to live in the White House.</p>
<p>I was never clear on this: if Richardson was Judas, who was Jesus, Bill or Hillary? That one was perhaps a bit over the top.</p>
<p>Lax he will not hold PA or MI due to the fact that the polling numbers show he is not connecting with them. The fact that NJ may go for McCain (republican) for the first time in decades is an issue. Right now NJ according to Rassmussen McCain is leading add in the +/- they are tied this is a novelty to Repubs</p>
<p>Add into the factor FL voters will be ticked if they aren’t counted. If McCain wins FL due to disenfranchised voters (FL=27) he still is up 8 if he lost CO,NV and NM to Obama…CO and NV currently in polling beats both Hillary and Obama by > than 5, and CO typically is Red, thus you making the leap OH will go dem…remember they went rep in 04, (currently OH is Hill country if they swing over to McCain) than OH is no longer bell weather. </p>
<p>check out [Election</a> 2008: Presidential, Senate and House Races Updated Daily](<a href=“http://www.electoral-vote.com/]Election”>http://www.electoral-vote.com/) for the map, it is dated for today</p>
<p>Meanwhile, 28% of Republicans voted AGAINST McCain in Kentucky.</p>
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<p>List for us the things the Clintons have done that have uniquely benefited black Americans? I scarely believe you will find anything at all. Indeed, blacks have more than earned what little incidental support Clinton has ever shown them.</p>
<p>I read the following ages ago, and it really stuck with me all these years. I am more than comfortable with my current outright rejection of the Clintons, especially due to their recent and clear racism against blacks.</p>
<p>*Black Americans and their political representatives ought to stop feeling excessively grateful to Bill Clinton (and politicians like him). Yes, Clinton did appoint Ron Brown, Mike Espy, Hazel O’Leary, Franklin Raines, and others. But in doing so Clinton was by no means heroically climbing out on a ledge on behalf of black folk. He was mainly doing what other constituencies expect of an electoral politician as a matter of course: paying back those groups that supported him. Through their electoral support, blacks have earned the collective benefits they have received from Clinton.</p>
<p>Clinton boosters have long trumpeted his “special” concern with racial justice for blacks and his “special” capacity to heal racial wounds, characteristics said to stem from his background as a white southerner who came of age during the civil rights revolution and admires its aims. They seem to believe his assertion that his commitment to racial equality is nonnegotiable. This assessment, however, is larded with large dollops of sentimentality. It is a good thing for blacks that, for Clinton, supporting African Americans’ basic civil rights has largely coincided with advancing his own political career. If a strong tension developed between what was good for his career and what was good for African Americans, blacks could not be reasonably confident about the choices Clinton would make. Although many blacks have shown a willingness (as Skip Gates says) to go to the wall for Clinton, one may wonder whether, had roles been reversed, Clinton would do the same. He certainly has shown no willingness to do so on any occasion during the years of his presidency. Absent from his record is any episode in which he risked considerable political capital on behalf of a fight for racial justice that would benefit black people. Some might say that he did so in supporting affirmative action, but they would be wrong. A shrewd, cautious, hard-boiled politician, Clinton recognized that he would have risked much more by abandoning affirmative action than by continuing his measured support of it. While reversing on affirmative action would not have brought voters into his fold, it would have alienated the many black Democrats for whom affirmative action is a litmus test. African Americans do thus exert some degree of influence over Democratic Party policymaking. That influence should be seen for what it is—a consequence of politics—and not the result of Clintonian beneficence. *
[Is</a> He a Soul Man? | The American Prospect](<a href=“http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=is_he_a_soul_man]Is”>http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=is_he_a_soul_man)</p>
<p>^ sure…</p>
<p>“…because you look down on people of that race.”</p>
<p>I don’t know about that. It has been my experience that many of the neo-libs are the most racist people around. Except when blacks are concerned - neo-libs get a sense of redemption with blacks. With other races, they are very vicious. I can point out several posters on this forum !</p>
<p>What exactly is a neo-lib? I know that this is an overly used current fad phrase, but I really have no idea what it means. </p>
<p>Ignorance is a bliss.</p>
<p>simba,</p>
<p>Does that mean that you use the term, but have no idea what it really means ? I think you are not alone. It is a catchy phrase though. It does appear to be overused and misunderstood by those who frequently use it.</p>
<p>If you know what it means, a simple explanation or definition as you see it would suffice. I’m not sure you have ever answered a question.</p>
<p>opposite of neo-con.</p>
<p>My yahoo gene is obviously kicking in. Neo-con is also another overused misunderstood fad phrase.</p>
<p>Can you provide an example of what attribute or attributes specifically define someone as a “neo-lib”. ? You have referenced it several times and I would like to better understand what you mean. </p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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<p>Florida isn’t going to be in play, McCain has that in his camp no doubt. However I also don’t think Obama loses MI or PA…he’s up ~8 in recent polls in PA and Michigan demographics favor him more. He’s (McCain) also down in CO + NM polling by about 6 according to recent polls.</p>