Crazy! Retired 71yo cop kills a moviegoer over TEXTING!

[mom2collegekids]

<p>“I would love to see the jury text their verdict to the court.”</p>

<p>lol…</p>

<p>Yes, they should dim the courtroom lights, send the verdict by text, and then have it displayed onto a big screen.</p>

[cobrat]

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Either his D is a good actress or she (crazily) doesn’t believe her dad is guilty of anything. So, she may not be supportive of the idea that her mom “cut her dad loose.”

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<p>Possibilities also include loving her dad so much that she doesn’t care whether he did right or wrong or bizarrely felt the blame should be all on the victim(s). </p>

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However, she, too better think long and hard about the future. She and her brother may find themselves supporting their mother if all her assets go to dad’s defense. Maybe she should take a gander over to the Parent Cafe thread about “Parents Caring for Parents Support Thread” to see how that can play havoc with your own intermediate family’s life and lifestyle.

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<p>If the daughter and/or her brother have no sense of responsibility, had issues with their mother, and/or felt their mother “betrayed” the family bizarrely by uttering the shooting not justified remark heard by deputy, I can easily see how they may decide to refuse to take any responsibility for her care. </p>

<p>In such cases, barring some law compelling them to do so, there may be nothing to compel them beyond community/family/religious pressures to get them to step up if this becomes necessary. </p>

[jym626]

<p>How about they dim the lights, text the verdict and munch on popcorn?</p>

[mom2collegekids]

<p>"If the daughter and/or her brother have no sense of responsibility, had issues with their mother, and/or felt their mother “betrayed” the family bizarrely by uttering the shooting not justified remark heard by deputy, I can easily see how they may decide to refuse to take any responsibility for her care.</p>

<p>In such cases, barring some law compelling them to do so, there may be nothing to compel them beyond community/family/religious pressures to get them to step up if this becomes necessary."</p>

<p>Right.</p>

<p>and if the mom gets wind of that, then her kids’ opinions about what she should do should become irrelevant. </p>

<p>I hope that this elderly lady has some level-headed siblings or friends of her own who will advise her to protect herself if it looks like her kids and her H are going to leave her “high and dry.” </p>

<p>This woman needs some pragmatic advice. I don’t know how his attys would be in a situation like this, but I don’t think that they’re advising him to “save money/assets/home for your wife.” But, maybe attys do??? I’m guessing not. </p>

<p>I agree that there are relatives (her kids) that may think she betrayed her H by immediately saying that the shooting wasn’t justified…but those “immediate utterances” seem to always have a LOT of power in court cases because they’re believed to be very true remarks. </p>

[jym626]

<p>Uh oh. More testimony. VERY damning

DADE CITY — In the dark of the theater, Alan Hamilton saw the kernels fly. Then, the muzzle flash and a loud bang.</p>

<p>“I’ll teach you to throw popcorn at me,” an eyewitness recalled the shooter, retired Tampa police Capt. Curtis Reeves, saying…“I head in that direction and I found Mr. Reeves sitting in his chair,” Hamilton said during Reeves’ bail hearing Wednesday. “I reached down and there was a weapon on his left knee.” The weapon, a .380-caliber semiautomatic pistol, Hamilton said, was still warm.</p>

<p>It was Jan. 13, and Hamilton cleared the gun and told Reeves, 71, to stay put. Reeves, he said, pushed his glasses back on his head and said, "I can’t believe what I’ve done…</p>

<p>The registered nurse, Derek Friedhoff, who sat about 5 to 6 feet from Chad Oulson in the theater, testified that he heard bickering during the previews. As the conflict escalated, he said he saw Oulson’s silhouette standing. He heard something being thrown and he heard Reeves say, “something along the lines of ‘I’ll teach you or I’ll show you to throw popcorn at me’ followed by a gunshot.”"

Surveillance video from the theater will be released tomorrow.
<a href=“Theater shooting witnesses say popcorn flew and gun went off”>http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/judge-surveillance-video-showing-wesley-chapel-movie-theater-shooting/2164252&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>YET, the judge is considering bail?? Maybe he would stay with his daughter and not his wife. <a href=“Florida judge considering bail for retired police officer accused in deadly movie theater shooting – New York Daily News”>http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/judge-considers-bail-movie-theater-shooting-article-1.1603284&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[mom2collegekids]

<p>"“I’ll teach you to throw popcorn at me,”"</p>

<p>Oh wow. If people heard him say “popcorn” then the defense falls apart.</p>

<p>“YET, the judge is considering bail?? Maybe he would stay with his daughter and not his wife.”</p>

<p>Right. I can’t imagine how he’ll taunt her for saying those words. </p>

<p>That said, the hearing is probably routine and likely (hopefully) won’t result in release on bail. </p>

[jym626]

<p>Instead of making up outlandish stories about the possible relationship between the family members of the shooter, lets look at today’s testimony and get information about their living arrangement first hand. What a concept ;

Reeves’ daughter, Jennifer Shaw, tearfully testified about how her father played with her 2-year-old daughter. Shaw said she lived with her father and mother — who have been married for 46 years — because she is going through a divorce. “I kind of expected him to try to take charge of the situation, but he didn’t,” she said.
Shaw told the court that she and her family are prepared to put the Reeves’ home up as collateral for the bond. It’s worth about $186,000, Shaw said. She also said the family has access to a $30,000 home equity line and about $22,000 in cash.
Shaw also said all of the guns owned by her father have been taken out of his house by his son, who is a Tampa police officer.

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<p>Read more: <a href=“Florida judge considering bail for retired police officer accused in deadly movie theater shooting – New York Daily News”>Florida judge considering bail for retired police officer accused in deadly movie theater shooting – New York Daily News;

<p>reworded a sentence</p>

[cobrat]

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The shooter says that he can pay for his own attys. That doesn’t sound like the house is the only asset. I doubt he’s borrowing huge amounts against his home because how would they make future payments.</p>

<p>That said, even if he is using the home equity to pay for his attys, that would also motivate his wife to put the kabosh on that…because she could easily end up homeless. Her over-mortgaged home would be unaffordable.

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<p>mom2ck,</p>

<p>He or his kids may try to raise funds through kickstarter and appeal to his being a retired cop who was somehow fearful for his life. Considering his retired cop status, there’s likely going to be plenty of law enforcement folks and sympathizers who will probably donate from around the US and possibly even the world. </p>

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““I’ll teach you to throw popcorn at me,””</p>

<p>Oh wow. If people heard him say “popcorn” then the defense falls apart.

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<p>AKA: How dare you disrespect mah authoritah! I’ll learn ya right now!</p>

<p>It’s the level of indignation I’d expect from those with excessive perceived entitlements to respect. </p>

<p>Such as telling random folks in public what to do without the status/legal standing to do so or feeling as if someone committed Lèse-majesté if a kernel of popcorn is tossed/falls on his majestic personage. </p>

[jym626]

<p>This guy gives retired military and retired police/security officers a very bad name. Much more likely they will steer very clear of him. </p>

[mom2collegekids]

<p>“Shaw told the court that she and her family are prepared to put the Reeves’ home up as collateral for the bond. It’s worth about $186,000, Shaw said. She also said the family has access to a $30,000 home equity line and about $22,000 in cash.”</p>

<p>Well, it’s very easy for her to say what “the family” is prepared to do. It’s not her money and she’s not elderly. And, although the family may seem somewhat united right now, these things often turn ugly. Any one of them with half a brain is going to be (wrongly) annoyed at the mom at some point for having said those words. The mom’s words and the deputy’s testimony about the shooter using the word “popcorn” is so very damaging to this case. </p>

<p>This isn’t like a Florida Casey Anthony case. </p>

[cobrat]

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This guy gives retired military and retired police/security officers a very bad name. Much more likely they will steer very clear of him.

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<p>I’m not sure how much stock his former military status would be given considering it seems he served a short period in relative peacetime from 1961 till 63* as seen here:</p>

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Reeves’ application to join the Tampa Police Department shows that he served in the U.S. Navy from 1961 to 1963 as a machinists’ mate on a submarine. After an honorable discharge, he worked as a truck driver, drove a bucket truck for a telephone company and as a warehouse worker.

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<p><a href=“http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2014/01/fla_retired_officer_curtis_ree.html”>http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2014/01/fla_retired_officer_curtis_ree.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>It sounds as if he volunteered for submarines as a different more prestigious way of fulfilling his military obligation as all 18-26 year old men were liable for the peacetime draft in that period unless given some sort of exemption. </p>

<p>However, there may be enough law enforcement folks and sympathizers who felt the shooter was somehow justified for a possible kickstarter campaign to get some donations to fund defense costs. </p>

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<li>Unless his submarine was stationed in the Florida vicinity during the Cuban Missile crisis.<br></li>
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It’s worth about $186,000, Shaw said. She also said the family has access to a $30,000 home equity line and about $22,000 in cash."

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<p>I know it’s not NYC, but if the criminal case drags on and/or they need to defend against a long civil case as well, most of that could be gobbled by defense legal costs/fees. </p>

[jym626]

<p>As Groucho would say, thats the most ridiculous thing I evah hoid.</p>

[jym626]

<p>One good thing, if he was enlisted and not an officer, he doesn’t have USAA insurance. (They changed the rules to allow enlisted to join USAA in about 2008-9. Doubt he joined.)</p>

[cobrat]

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One good thing, if he was enlisted and not an officer, he doesn’t have USAA insurance.

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<p>I’m not so sure it’s only for officers as shown here:</p>

<p><a href=“Enable Cookies | USAA | USAA”>Enable Cookies | USAA | USAA;

<p>Is there something I overlooked, here? </p>

[jym626]

<p>I figured you would make a crack, so I clarified the change in their policy. We have USAA. Have had it for decades. Do you?
How many of your cousins served in the US military?</p>

[jym626]

<p>Duplicated the post. Weird.</p>

<p>But, that said, in addition to adding the clarification on the USAA policy change (before you posted your crack) I did also ask you to please give it a rest. Can you speak from PERSONAL experience how USAA works and the services they offer? If not- please- put a cork in it. </p>

<p>It would have been a cruel turn of events if that guy was a USAA member. SInce they didnt allow enlisted to join until a few years ago , its extremely doubtful he did.</p>

[cobrat]

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How many of your cousins served in the US military?

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<p>Two within the last 30 years. Both officers with one being Army and another a Naval aviator. </p>

[jym626]

<p>Good for them. How long were they in? Tell them to join USAA. Wonderful benefits.
Now do you have any personal, direct experience with the military and with usaa? Since I suspect the answer is no, I am happy to provide you with the timeline of when they opened up their enrollment to non officers. Its on their website-- but it requires a members access and password.

2008</p>

<p>BusinessWeek magazine names USAA its No. 1 Customer Service Champ again.
USAA sponsors first prime-time TV special — America United in Support of our Troops.
USAA introduces online Car Buying Service.
Eligibility requirements are expanded to include:
Military retirees, regardless of when they retired.
Military personnel who were honorably discharged on or after Jan. 1, 1996.
Widows or widowers of military personnel killed in action while eligible.
After they join, spouses and children of the above may also be eligible for membership.
In a year when most financial services companies post record losses and the S&P 500 Index total return dropped by 37%, USAA earned $423 million in net income and generated positive investment income.</p>

<p>2009</p>

<p>USAA introduces USAA Deposit@Mobile®; the first mobile deposit capability for the iPhone®.
USAA is ranked No. 1 in MSN Money Customer Service Hall of Fame.
Begins offering face-to-face service at offices in Tampa and Colorado Springs.
Consolidated regional office locations — closing the Sacramento office and Norfolk policy service location.
Military Spouse magazine ranks USAA #1 on its 2009 list of America’s “Most Military Spouse Friendly Employers.”
USAA becomes the presenting sponsor for the Army-Navy Football Game.
USAA expands eligibility to all who are serving or have honorably served our nation in the U.S. military — and their families

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[cobrat]

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I figured you would make a crack, so I clarified the change in their policy. We have USAA. Have had it for decades.

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<p>I didn’t mean it as a crack and find it odd you took it that way. Especially when I asked whether I overlooked something.</p>

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How long were they in?

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<p>Not sure about the cousin in the Army. Navy aviator cousin was RIFed sometime in the late '90s after serving less than 8 years. </p>

[jym626]

<p>The military was in need of warm bodies in the late 90’s,. RIF’s were predominantly in the early 90’s, after the first gulf war in '91. If an officer was honorably discharged, or didn’t re-up in the late 90’s, it was commonly because they were passed over for a promotion, so took an early discharge incentive.</p>

<p>(And please don’t bicker over the fact that the gulf war was officially mid '90 to early '91. It was desert storm in '91)</p>

<p>So back for the last time to the discussion of USAA,. They are Hq’d in San Antonio, but have a large office in Tampa. It would be an unfortunate irony if the shooter was served in any way by the victim’s wife.</p>