<p>I agree with HImom, that I don’t see the reasonableness in blaming theaters and other venues for these sort of things. But that’s what happens. </p>
<p>I don’t think much of the guy who got killed in this tragedy, but that is way beside the point. I think that Reeves is too dangerous to be allowed to be around people. There are a lot of things that can happen in every day life that can incur rage. You aren’t allowed to shoot people because of that. If one’s anger threshhold is such, as Reeves’ clearly is, that you can be tipped to do such violet reactions, then you are not fit to be out and about. You need to be kept in lockdown. No longer trust worthy.</p>
<p>FWIW, I believe FL law would require W’s consent to any loan vs or sale of the home (whether or not she is on the title under FL constitution), but I would advise her to get legal counsel to protect what she can. </p>
<p>I think the judge did well to deny bail. The shooter is definitely a clear and eminent danger to the public. Definitely think the W should never be left alone with him. </p>
<p>As for the Kitty Genovese case, Cobrat, its really better to not dig up and read on-line information about it as if you knew anything directly about the case. There are some conflicting accounts by residents in Kew Gardens at the time. I have relatives who lived there then. Since its doubtful you had cousins or classmates who lived there (since this was before you were born) I would implore you to stop dissecting it And. Move. On.</p>
<p>"“There’s no justification for what happened in there,” Reeves said during the taped interview. "If I had it to do over again, it would’ve never happened… “If i had it to do it all over again we would have moved… but we can’t do it over,” he said.</p>
<p>I saw that, but that seemed to me to be at odds with other things he said that essentially justified his actions. </p>
<p>““He kept on hollering,” Reeves told the detective.”</p>
<p>“I see that he’s very explosive, unnecessarily,” Reeves told police. “It scared the crap out of me”</p>
<p>And, frankly, unless he does a plea deal, he really doesn’t think he’s guilty. If he continues with the “innocent” plea that speaks volumes.</p>
<p>And if you think about it. He’s not really saying that his actions were wrong. He’s just saying that if he had a do-over, he’d have moved away from that aggressive bad person (in his mind)</p>
<p>I still want to know if he had the gun in his lap before the popcorn was thrown. It sure seems like it was. If so, then he was practically hoping to use it. </p>
<p>Had a past neighbor who was a retired cop involved in investigating that very case at the time. He was the one who said vast majority of what I heard/read about in the massmedia of the period on that case was highly exaggerated or incorrect. Not to mention I am quite familiar with that part of Queens as several friends live in that area. </p>
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<p>Considering the evidence collected so far, there isn’t much incentive for the prosecution to offer a plea deal unless Chad’s widow wishes to avoid the possible burdens of a trial, pressure from some law enforcement supporters/connected sympathizers from past work, or some surprising serious issues develop with evidence which renders their case much weaker than it seems right now. </p>
<p>If anything, the prosecution also has the pressure from an outraged public to make an example of him because of the spate of gun violence/threats in Florida along with the fears his retired cop status may somehow enable him to be let off with a slap on the wrist…if even that. </p>
<p>oh sure. You have talked to a cop involved in th genovese case. was this when ou were discussing whether it ws ok to feed college applicants? Really. Just stop. </p>
<p>Wow, now instead of just road rage, we all have to beware theater rage!!??!? </p>
<p>Theaters have been struggling to lure audiences in and away from their home theaters–potential violence from strangers in addition to high prices make it ever less attractive, sadly. Our D is a cinema major, and I know that she was doubly sad about the CO murders because she also worried about its dampening effect on that movie and theater attendance generally. This new case certainly makes me even less inclined to go to the theater (tho I had rarely been going anyway). </p>
<p>Judging by the layout of the seating, that would make absolutely no sense. </p>
<p>That would put Chad Oulson in an extremely vulnerable position considering the seating layout unless he’s far shorter than pictures lead me to believe or the stadium seating is far more staggered than the videos suggest. </p>
<p>One never wants to put themselves in a position where their torso/lower extremities are at eye level of someone* who may potentially and in this case, unfortunately did harm him fatally. Especially considering Chad himself served in the Navy for a period. </p>
<p>Knees on seat makes much more sense. </p>
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<p>I would think standing on a theater chair would provide a very unstable base and encourage over-balancing. It is not something most folks would do and I agree that kneeling on the seat would be a stronger base and position. I’m sure contradictory evidence will be coming out in this case, as in most as to the exact events leading up to the fatal shooting. </p>
<p>I was surprised that there were no hysterics on the background of 911 call, from what I could discern. </p>
<p>Have any of you been following the other FL case, where a middle age white man shot a black youth in his car, because he thought the youth had a gun? The dispute began because the youths did not turn down volume of music to the man’s liking. Rather than drive away, he shot.</p>
<p>I think knees (or a knee) on the seat makes more sense. Trying to stand on those seats just wouldn’t be stable anyway…and would serve no purpose that I can see. </p>
<p>I realize that some may not like the victim so much for even saying some things that he said, but really a lot of men would take umbrage at some stranger interfering with his need to keep in contact with his young child. </p>
<p>I hope that experts are able to make the video more clear because I want to see where that gun was prior to firing. I don’t see Reeves’ doing the normal “shifting motions” a man would normally make when trying to extract a large item from a pants pocket while in a sitting position.</p>
<p>I also hope the experts can improve the images. Even if they don’t, can’t see much of any defense and would hate being defense counsel in such a case. </p>
<p>The Dunn FL case is quite chilling in the nonchalance of the shooter. He almost hit others with the many bullets he shot at the car. Really makes me want to avoid FL. Shooter and his wife had a pizza, slept overnight and drove around a lot before he finally turned himself in. </p>
<p>Hope my loved ones continue to be VERY cautious when they have to go to FL. </p>
<p>Hopefully, that FL case will end with the same result…conviction for the shooter who felt entitled to go up to someone’s car and dictate how they utilize its amenities. </p>
<p>If anything, it’s arguably worse because he’s walking up to a car in a public area where both have equal rights/standing to be there and if he hated their music and they refused to turn it down, the most prudent/smart thing other than possibly report them to police for noise violations* is to walk off, get his business done in that public area, and be on his away and thus…egress from that situation. </p>
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<p>It’s not just young men, but anyone who feels no one else with the same legal or other standing in a public space has the right to suddenly walk up to another individual to boss someone around or tell him/her what to do unless he/she have the legal status/standing to do so. Otherwise one’s being an overbearing bossy busybody jerk American pop culture has traditionally lampooned throughout our history.</p>
<p>It’s actually a very old traditional American attitude which started the American Revolution, is in great abundance in certain areas of the US…like pre-1990’s NYC, and is one I admire very much. </p>
<p>I hope that this theater shooter will plead and not deplete the resources his wife and D need. It sounds like immediately after the shooting, he realized that what he did was wrong but now he and his attorney are trying for some sort of a defense; maybe they hope it will get them a better plea deal?</p>
<p>There are no winners in this sad case. The nurse who tried to help and also called 911 was amazing!</p>
<p>As the former police captain, prison may be very dangerous for the shooter, with prisoners he helped get convicted. </p>
<p>I’m curious as to see what leverage the defense has over the prosecution at this point considering all the publicized evidence so far other than possible pressures from the shooter’s former law enforcement colleagues/connected friends and sympathizers. What has been publicized so far is already pretty damning to the defendant. </p>
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<p>If he does end up convicted with serious prison time, my understanding is that he’ll be separated from the general population for his own safety. Am curious if there’s a possibility he may end up in a resort type prison and/or not serve much time at all not only for his own safety & age considerations, but also due to his retired cop status and behind the scenes lobbying from former law enforcement colleagues and other influential connected folks he worked with. </p>
<p>The articles I read say MINIMUM 25 year sentence for 2nd degree murder. I guess if he is allowed to plead to a lesser offense, it would likely be less. </p>
<p>I really think he needs some serious anger management counseling and possibly suicide watch as well, which would be more resources. I think that was why he wore the odd green vest in his prelim hearing–suicide risk. </p>
<p>I wonder if Reeves is made to wear suicide garment in jail most of the time at county jail? The jail doesn’t want other inmates murdering Reeves either by hanging him and making it look like suicide…can’t kill him with suicide garment that can’t be torn. Reeves will appeal yesterday’s decision not to let him bail out…it could be 2 years before his second-degree murder trial would get to to trial. </p>
<p>I watched some of the hearing yesterday streamed on internet. One thing I thought interesting was the judge saying the prosecutors had proved to him it was a second-degree case and not manslaughter and thus he would deny bail. Before making that statement, the judge, and I don’t recall the exact numbers and court jurisdiction, said something like there were maybe 15 second-degree murder cases hanging in the Pasco county circuit court and about eight of those cases the defendants were out on bond…and some of those cases had extra baggage charges in addition to murder charges Then the judge recited what bail amount he would set and terms of release like having house arrest and just going to church and grocery store once per week, ankle bracelet, etc…if he had agreed to release. The judge more or less set up release stipulations for Reeves after a successful appeal down the road. </p>
<p>What I’m getting at is that as bad as things looked for Reeves yesterday, and remember yesterday was just a bond hearing and not a trial, I don’t think he got an even handed decision considering other Pasco murder 2 defendants are out on bond and Reeves isn’t. I’m sure Reeves attorneys will cite all the other second-degree murder cases pending now in Pasco with defendants out on bond and Reeves attorneys will ask at appeal for the same treatment for Reeves. I think the judge yesterday was overly influenced by outside pressures, and not the letter of the law. Reeves could have been released yesterday on bond until trial without him being a threat to community or a flight risk. Pasco has tons of dirt balls running around loose everyday already, including hundreds and hundreds of convicts supervised under house arrest, there are over 800 supervised registered sex offenders and predators alone in Pasco, never mind all the other convicts who have done violent crimes. Reeves could have been released yesterday without endangering the local community and I bet he eventually will be after making appeal in court again. He is still innocent until proven guilty.</p>