Crazy! Retired 71yo cop kills a moviegoer over TEXTING!

<p>Why now? My guess (and this is pure speculation) is that in other scenarios he was upright and able to move/walk around with his weapon drawn, and felt nore in control of a situation. Here, he kept talking about having pushed himself back in his seat with nowhere to go and that “this guy was virtually on top of me”. He claimed that he wasnt scared before, but that he felt scared and threatened by Oulson, believing that Oulson was going to “kick his a$$”. He probably reacted the way an animal with its belly exposed reacts to another animal it sees a a potential aggressor . May explain why he pulled his gun and fired, but its faulty judgement.</p>

<p><strong>ETA</strong> Hey wait a second - in one place he claims his glasses got knocked off and something hit him in the eye (and he claimed he still felt like he had something in his eye) yet, right after he shot he "pushed back his glasses and said “holy *** what have I done?” Sounds like his glasses were on, not knocked off… </p>

<p>I can tell you that my MIL was a slow reacting, mild mannered person, one of the least reactive people I know up until about 5-6 years ago, when she would get upset and mean about any little thing. Often made no sense what outraged her so much, but in terms of other mentally capacities, there was no outward change visible to any of us. She then would throw things at us, usually napkins, crumbled up papers and and just be so angry. My DH would get furious with her. Since she’d had a hip replaced, both knees and was refusing to acknowledge her diminishment in hearing, plus we had to move here with us while she had her surgeries, we attributed her ill temper and mood to those things. Because she still could drive a car, and showed no loss in mental acuity at all. She was just turning mean is what she thought. </p>

<p>But when she was at the nursing home for rehab, one of the doctors there wanted her examined neurologically, as he found her failing in textbook ways in terms of her mental status. She was given a quick exam which she failed dismally, but we attributed it to her being out of her environment, the surgeries, the pain meds, other meds, anger over the surgery, rehab, nursing home, and the fact that she was always a bit off and quirky. I don’t know if she could count backwards by 7 in her prime. She could never remember where we lived (and neither can my mother, these Indian names don’t cut for the memory cells of some), and some of the questions made me pause too (yeah, maybe I AM going that way too, entirely possible), so we didn’t give it a whole lot of weight. When she grabbed me by the hair when I was just helping her put on her shoes, and would not let go, then denied she ever did such a thing, and when she slashed and clawed at some people, and at us with no good reason, no provocation, we had a full assessment done. She refused to cooperate, but by then it was pretty clear she was demented, had some mental illnesses in there too, like depression, paranoia and, yes, schizophrenia. She hears voices and talks to them all of the time now. She always talked to herself, often non stop–lived by herself and that’s just the way she was, but now she has voices talking back to her. It’s been very difficult for my husband to accept even now that his mother is mentally ill, and to use a term like demented or deranged to him would upset him greatly. I wouldn’ t trust her with a gun for a second. I have no idea at what point she became dangerous, however, as she did not have dangerous things easily within reach and she is very slow moving and wheelchair bound. My kitchen knives are now kept way up high in cabinets, don’t even remember making that transition, but yes, she could have been dangerous. At this point, she has almost no energy to even do what she has to do, but during a transition period, she was problematic.</p>

<p>Another major problem and source of the agitiation was morphine, in her case. Her pain killers were all morphine based, and she gets a psychoses and rage from any morphine type pill. With Reese, this could play into the situation, though FL is very strict, nigh impossible to get percocets, vicodein and the like for arthritis, recent laws have really tied the medical profession’s hands in prescribing these thing. So even as pain can cause rage, so can the solutions, and though not easily available legally in FL, getting them through other sources would be cheap and easy.</p>

<p>I’m blathering here, because the thought of someone who is not a hardcore criminal with a long record of these eruptions just blowing someone away under the circumstances, just blows me away. </p>

<p>“Don’t think this will go to trial. His defense is pretty weak.”</p>

<p>I agree. The video doesn’t help Reeves much, since it contradicts his perception of what happened. No, Oulsen wasn’t on top of Reeves. No Oulsen didn’t strike Reeves with a fist. And none of the eyewitness statements support Reeve’s assertions. </p>

<p>Might your MIL have Lewy Body Dementia (LBD), cptofthehouse? While fluctuating psychiatric and/or cognitive disturbances can happen due to several factors, such as medication side effects or interactions, they can also be seen, often with an acute onset, when an older adult develops a UTI. And being in a new, unfamiliar environment, especially after a medical problem, cane be acutely disorganizing to an older adult. But visual hallucinations, that are usually not bothersome to the person (eg they think there are little childern in the room visiting with them and they chate with them) is a common feature of LBD.</p>

<p>Agree, newhope. And that discrepancy about his glasses supposedly being knocked off, yet he then pushed them back on his face and said “what have I done?” Um… not very consistent. </p>

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<p>I don’t think the Prosecutor is anxious to try Reeves. I do think he’s anxious to convince Reeves that a jury trial is not in Reeves best interests.</p>

<p>Alzheimer’s LBD, a number of things have been brought into the picture. Her mother, her cousin, her aunt all went the same route. She’s calmed down a lot this last year,but the voices are very much there. I can’t keep her here on the doses that make her a zombie. We have a good balance now where she can take care of self personally for the most part. When that is an issue, she’s out of here because I won’t do it on a regular basis and getting reliable help full time is nearly impossible too. One has to be right on top of that. She was out of here very quickly while in that mode because what to do when someone simply can’t show up? I won’t take over is my stance, the way she was. I’m about half her size and am not about to wrestle her, and clean her messes. </p>

<p>But she’s in a good place now. No more pain pills, no UTIs (why she kept getting them in the nursing home, I have no idea, but not a one here), no sedating medication that slows her down further, and no more pain. She is actually easier to deal with than my mother.</p>

<p>We are OT here, but I do want to attest that pain, morphine based meds, and the start of mental diminishment can make even a person who was always sedate and mild mannered become a roaring, nasty bear. I wouldn’t bet a dime that she would not have shot someone if she had been carrying a loaded gun. She did go crazy at time, and then be back to normal once the tantrum was over. And often it was without any real instigation. Someone throwing popcorn in her face and ocking her would have easily resulted in getting shot if she had had a gun within reach. Doesn’t take me any suspension in belief to go there. And there may be a number of folks like me that could end up on the jury as well as some yahoos who think Dirty Harry is a god. That’s the risk the DA has to weigh.</p>

<p>But I think regardless of reason, he needs to be locked away for good. Just a different venue than prison, but locked away nonetheless.</p>

<p>When Reeves was in law enforcement, was he in the same county? If so, woulnt it be likely they’d push for a change of venue at the very least?</p>

<p>cpt,
Unfortunately, at some hursing homes they dont respond as quickly as we’d like when someone needs to use the restroom. They may keep the older adult in adult diapers (eg Depends) to help minimize accidents. But it may then keep them sitting in wet undergarments longer than we’d like and expose them to the bacteria that brings oon the uti.</p>

<p>LBD commonly involves viaual, not auditory hapllucinations. If hers are auditory (apologies if I missed that) it may not be LBD. Regardless, the specific etiology of the dementia may matter not.
So sorry you are going through that. Its not easy. And its been a long time. Tough to handle. So sorry for you and your family. </p>

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<p>Recently my stepmom had a drastic change in her mental status, along with physical deterioration. She was placed in the ICU. I kept asking if they had tested her for a UTI and everyone kept looking at me like I was crazy. That bothered me, as it was common knowledge at my facility that UTIs in the elderly can cause mental status changes.</p>

<p>YOu were spot on, nrdsb4. And especially if they are catheterized, the risk of a UTI is even greater.</p>

<p>The incident occurred in Pasco county only a few miles north of the Pasco/Hillsborough county line. Hillsborough is Tampa where Reeves worked as cop. I think the judges in Hillsborough 13th judicial circuit are easier on criminals, Reeves probably would have faired better down in Hillsborough than up in Pasco/Pinellas 6th circuit which I think is tougher across the board on defendants…plus in Hillsborough circuit being formally a Tampa cop might have helped Reeves more with the ‘system’ down there. That’s the way things operate. Reeves’ house is in a third judicial circuit to north of Pasco county, the 5th judicial circuit with its hanging judges.</p>

<p>Thats really interesting, Lizard. Thanks. Where do you think they would try to move it?</p>

<p>Beats me. I read somewhere that a trial for second-degree murder might be 2 years out…a lot can happen before 2 years are up. Right now things are being handled in 6th judicial circuit and will probably be resolved in Pasco county…if this did end up going to trial, it might be hard seating a local jury that didn’t have minds made up. There’s always Miami where folks mind their own business and aren’t too concerned with goings on in Wesley Chapel! This whole matter will probably be pleaded to a manslaughter conviction, but anything can happen…who knows, not me.</p>

<p>LOL about Miami! Completely agree that a lot can happen, and that the likelihood of this going to trial is extremely slim.</p>

<p>Thanks for the info, Lizard. We’ll see, but maybe not so quickly, how this pans out.</p>

<p>Jym, MIL’s hears voices. No visual hallucination, just voices. Thanks for the sympathy, but really, she isn’t much trouble. Just was while under acute treatment and getting her stabilized. She spends half the day sleeping and then about 4 hours cleaning, dressing, doing whatever for herself. She actually looks quite nice when she’s finished. Then she likes to clean her room and organize her clothes, color in her Dover books and watch some TV, all the while talking to herself. She’s really easy to have around these days. Good appetite and just talks to her self and her voices, non stop. Always talked non stop. Only problem is when there is a break from what she likes to do. Getting her out to church, doctors, whatever is when she turns ugly and everything does bother her outside the house from what people are wearing to how they are behaving. She turns into a querolous old woman. But leave her alone here, and she just putters through the day, happy as can be. So, she’s here. Only issue is that I need baby sitters if I ever leave the house as my mother would not be able to handle her or any emergency, though I do run out for less than an hour with my mother’s door left open and she can call if anything arises. The thing with MIL is she moves truly slow motion so that if she’s in the bathroom, it means a good hour before she makes her way out. No one can out slow her.</p>

<p>But seriously, having watched how dementia worked its way in her and her reaction to pain and drugs, I wonder if there isn’t something of the sort happening with Reeves. Truly, I can’t see anyone who doesn’t have some issue reacting that way unless they are hardcore criminals on their own turf. This is so unusual which is why it made the news and why we are discussing this ad nauseum. </p>

<p>Oh my, cpt, you have your mom and your MIL living with you? You are a saint.</p>

<p>Well said, 3togo. I don’t think people often realize how annoying their smartphone or camera screen is to people sitting even many rows behind them. Especially in a tiered theater, the glare of the screen will be seen by many sitting behind them, higher up in the theater. I don’t think they are being purposefully rude and inconsiderate, I just don’ think they realize it. I have to hope it isn’t because they don’t care about the impact of their behavior on others. If I did something that disturbed someone else, I would fall all over myself apologizing, and I would stop. I would not justify/explain it away, or tell them to MYOB. </p>

<p>Was the unattended camera somewhere where you could have quietly walked down and asked whosever it was to close the viewfinder? In reality, I probably wouldn’t touch a camera that belonged to someone else, but if it was a camera that, say, the school might have set up to film the event, I might see if someone could handle it. </p>

<p>Just because one person doesn’t find something bothersome doesn’t mean they should impose their beliefs on others and decide that it doesn’t or should bother someone else. It is a sad state of affairs if our population has become so self-focused.</p>

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<p>There are two places I never take my cell phone, even when phone is off…churches and funeral parlors…I leave my cell phone in car. I’ve had phone go off at both in past and it can be embarrassing. One time I went to a funeral Mass for a priest. Before the Mass the priest was in an open casket up front for viewing…sure enough while I was by casket the cell phone in my pocket started “ringing” playing “la cucaracha, la cucaracha”. It was really loud and everyone it seemed in the super quiet church was staring at me, and to make matters worse it was my sister’s phone that I was carrying for her and I didn’t know how to work it and turn it off. I walked out of the church on my tip toes as fast as I could with the la cucaracha blaring all the way out the door and everyone bending their necks watching me. I felt like smashing it with my foot that day…if I’d had a pistol I probably would have shot the phone too in front of the church.</p>

<p>OMG lizard thats hysterical!! </p>