<p>Ek, that is a very good point. People with Celiac (and other GI disorders lumped
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<p>^This part is incorrect. If you have excess urea for some reason your body will simply excrete it through the kidneys. Your body will simply make a little more urine and/or urine that is a little more concentrated. Not a big deal for a person with healthy kidneys. </p>
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<p>^This part is incorrect. Dietary protein is not a risk factor for developing osteoporosis. Neither is drinking milk. The major risk factors for developing osteoporosis are having a family history of osteoporosis, age, being female, having vitamin D deficiency, having inflammatory bowel disease, or long term use of certain drugs.</p>
<p>1down12go: I’m with Bunsen Burner on this one. Your biochemistry is way off. Loaded with misconceptions, so many I’m not sure where to start to correct them. I guess I’ll start with the idea that urea will “eat away at body tissues.” Urea is found naturally in urine; it is a breakdown product of muscle or excess dietary protein. (You need to eat protein to maintain your cells, including your muscle cells.) It is cleared from the body by the kidneys, and ends up in urine (hence the name). Obviously it doesn’t “eat away at body tissues” or none of us would have a functioning bladder. </p>
<p>The ammonia accumulates in the body, through the biochemical pathways that also produces urea, when the kidneys fail. It’s one waste product that dialysis clears.</p>
<p>Please accept my apologies for posting incorrect information. I only posted as part of a conversation, sharing tidbits of what I could remember, and did not intend to misrepresent myself as someone ‘pretending’ to know more than I do. I happily defer to the scientific experts above.</p>
<p>For economic and social reasons dairy is advertised as being a high quality “food”. These myths are no being dispelled by many peer reviewed studies. One of the largest was conducted by T. Colin Campbell - The China Study which clearly shows a plant based diet exclusive of cow’s milk products is the healthiest source of nutrition.</p>
<p>Cow’s milk contains casein that is actually a glue used on furniture and product labels. It does great damage to arteries. Drinking cow’s milks makes the blood acidic - The body attempts to neutralize this by expelling calcium from the bones - this is why countries that drink the most milk have the worst cases of osteoporosis and bone loss. [The</a> NOTMILK Homepage! (MILK is a bad-news substance!)](<a href=“http://www.notmilk.com/]The”>http://www.notmilk.com/)</p>
<p>When you think about it… What is so “natural” about drinking milk intended for another species? Humans are the only ones to remain “unweaned” their entire lives. All the nutrition one needs can be found in plant based sources.</p>
<p>All this doesn’t even touch the environmental ills or horrible animal cruelty issues that surround the dairy industry. There’s a reason they spend tens of millions of dollars yearly to keep the milk mustache lies perpetrated. Milk is not healthy - Nor does it come from “happy” cows.
<a href=“Dairy: 6 Reasons You Should Avoid It at all Costs - YouTube”>Dairy: 6 Reasons You Should Avoid It at all Costs - YouTube;
<p><a href=“Why Cows' Milk is Unhealthy - YouTube”>Why Cows' Milk is Unhealthy - YouTube;
<p><a href=“The Calcium Lie - What Your Doctor Doesn't Know Could Kill - YouTube”>The Calcium Lie - What Your Doctor Doesn't Know Could Kill - YouTube;
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<a href=“The Dark Side of Dairy - YouTube”>The Dark Side of Dairy - YouTube;
<p>I agree that calcium can be obtained from other sources besides dairy- however- perhaps not as delicious!
[Calcium</a> and Milk - What Should You Eat? - The Nutrition Source - Harvard School of Public Health](<a href=“http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/calcium-and-milk/]Calcium”>Calcium | The Nutrition Source | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health)</p>
<p>Looks like PETA finally found CC.</p>
<p>Calcium and milk issue has been beaten to death in this thread already - read the posts by Coureur (an immunoologist) and dmd (a biochemist). Stop spreading your PETA agenda full of misleading, false information and take a basic biochemistry course before trying to sound like an expert.</p>
<p>Casein? LOL. Do you know that the majority of toxins and carcinogens are plant-derived? That starch, a plant-derived “substance” is used in construction materials?</p>
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<p>^^LOL. Have you ever been to a farm? Had a cat? Or a dog? Many adult animals will not pass an opportiny to lap up a bowl of milk, so your statement is false.</p>
<p>One thing I agee with is that animal cruelty is a big issue, and that’s why one should buy milk products from local, organic farms who treat their animals humanely.</p>
<p>It would be nice to exchange differing thoughts and opinions without the angry overtones. What sits well with some, obviously does not with others. For some reason this is a very sensitive subject, but I think everyone should feel free to offer viewpoints without such harsh judgment. People may feel as though they are experts in certain areas, but that doesn’t mean that everyone else should follow blindly. Scientific findings are interpreted differently all the time…and proven wrong all the time. There is no absolute right or wrong…only what is right or wrong for YOU. Being judgmental only alienates others from an open discussion. But that’s just my opinion.</p>
<p>I think the point is like that saying: Every person is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. Some things that get posted here as fact are just plain incorrect. And not all opinions have equal merit. It may be my opinion that the sun rises in the west and sets it the east, but my opinion won’t change the fact that the opposite is true.</p>
<p>Many people, especially non-scientists, often get duped by incorrect information that is dressed up in scientific language. And the internet is loaded with this sort of nonsense. There are all manner of people out there pushing their theories and crusades as “scientific,” when actually much of it is contrary to what science has shown. Some of these people are merely mistaken, and others are trying to deliberately mislead. </p>
<p>So just as a lawyer might speak up to correct some posted misinformation about what is or isn’t against the law, real scientists sometimes feel compelled to speak out against the junk science, false science, and just plain nonsense that we so often encounter.</p>
<p>Thank you, coureur for posting what I was about to say.</p>
<p>Every fan of Silk should take a look at this:</p>
<p>[Not</a> Crying over Spilt Soymilk | Cornucopia Institute](<a href=“http://www.cornucopia.org/2010/09/not-crying-over-spilt-soymilk/]Not”>Not Crying over Spilt Soymilk - Cornucopia Institute)</p>
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<p>I find a couple of posts on this thread particularly unkind. It’s possible to disagree and to point out inaccuracies without mockery and arrogance. In fact, I generally find that folks on this forum take pains to be tactful and kind when disagreeing, including when there’s a disparity of age, education or expertise.</p>
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<p>If you’re lactose-intolerant—or if you simply prefer the taste—almond milk may be the way to go. Nutritionally, though, for those who aren’t lactose-intolerant, it’s hard to see many advantages for almond milk over nonfat milk. (All values per 8 oz. serving)</p>
<p>Calories: almond milk, 88 (average); nonfat milk, 80</p>
<p>Protein: almond milk, 0 g; nonfat milk, 8 g </p>
<p>Calcium: almond milk, 200 mg (if fortified); nonfat milk, 349 mg</p>
<p>Fat: almond milk, 4.9 g (8% of RDA); nonfat milk 0 g</p>
<p>Saturated fat: almond milk, 1.5 g (8% of RDA); nonfat milk 0 g</p>
<p>Total carbs: almond milk, 9.8 g (3% of RDA); nonfat milk 12 g (4% of RDA)</p>
<p>Fiber: almond milk, 6.9 g; nonfat milk, 0 g </p>
<p>OK, so almond milk is lower-carb and higher-fiber. But nonfat milk’s carb content is not that high, and the tradeoff is that nonfat milk delivers a significant dollop of protein and calcium, with no fat and no saturated fat.</p>
<p>My D1 was a vegan for a while, and we initially urged her to drink almond milk, assuming that since it was made from nuts it would have some significant protein to substitute for the lost protein from eliminating milk. Then we read the label. Nope. Zero. Zip. Nada. She liked the taste alright, but she needed to look for protein elsewhere. She’s now switched back to being an ovo-lacto-vegetarian, and probably drinks only about 1 glass of skim milk per day. But that one glass makes a pretty significant contribution to her daily protein requirement.</p>
<p>Organic farms still remove the calves at birth… Organic farms still have NO need for the boy babies. Organic calves still send 3 out of 4 males and 1 out of 5 females either directly to slaughter (with the umbilical cords often still attached) or sent to “igloos” to be confined for a few months before becoming “veal”. Organic farms still send their “happy cows” to the same slaughterhouses as all the rest of the “industrial cows” at a fraction of their life expectancy. You’re terribly misinformed if you think there’s some romantic or “humane” quality to an organic cow’s life.</p>
<p>I don’t know… There’s more white blood cells allowed in USDA dairy then any other country… That would be “pus” - I don’t think that’s too appetizing. Besides… At some point “taste” can no longer defend atrocities. Killing millions of “unwanted” baby calves so we can steal their milk is one of those atrocities. ;)</p>
<p>Hi… I’m not aware of any food… Not even lettuce that has 0 protein… Even almond milk which has the least has 1 gram. Anyway, here is a chart that has accurate information about nutritional content in plant based milks: [The</a> Ultimate Guide to Plant-based Milks | One Green Planet](<a href=“http://www.onegreenplanet.org/foodandhealth/the-ultimate-guide-to-plant-based-milks/]The”>http://www.onegreenplanet.org/foodandhealth/the-ultimate-guide-to-plant-based-milks/)</p>
<p>New poster, registerd today with zero posts count? Making three posts in a row that sound like a political agenda… Hmmm… </p>
<p>I think his thread has outlived its initial purpose and became a ground for radicals to spread false information as it suits their agenda.</p>
<p>My dad was a creamery owner and milk man (no need for jokes here!). As a child we drank what was left on the milk truck (no chocolate). We ate organic produce from our garden, small amounts of meat, and no soda pop. When my older sister had foot surgery in her late 30’s, the surgeon commented that her bones were the density of an Olympic athlete. None of us are overweight as adults and our children are also incredibly fit. I think not drinking soda pop is key…</p>
<p>Actually, I was responding to three different comments left after mine - But the “quote message in reply” function wasn’t working for me… And do I have an “agenda” - Sure do. I’d love to see the cows/calves used/killed for NO authentic reason to be vindicated. </p>
<p>Essentially no one consumes milk or cheese for anything other than “taste”. That is a really terrible excuse to violate these gentle creatures to the extent we do. Yeah, my agenda? To attempt to get people to realize they need not be unkind… Most people want to do the right thing… Just trying to encourage that along a little. That’s all. </p>
<p>@AHST eacher - I’m glad your sister’s bones are in good shape - But thirty is hardly an age where the body breaks down. It takes 50 or so decades for negative impact to show. Reversing the ill effects gets more difficult with passing time. P.S. I’m 57 - I know! ;)</p>
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<p>Well, that’s not true. I think there are probably a lot of ovo-lacto-vegetarians who, like my D1, adopted that diet as a kind of workable compromise that allows them to meet basic nutritional needs while still limiting consumption of animal products. It’s just really, really hard to be a vegan—and especially a healthy vegan who is meeting all nutritional requirements—given the meal options available at the typical college dining hall. It is not at all hard if you’re ovo-lacto. Yes, some male calves and some chickens die. But ultimately human life and health need to weigh into the equation, too. Of course, you’re free to make enemies of the ovo-lacto-vegetarians if you like, but I think there are far more “vegetarians” on that side of the fence then on yours.</p>
<p>Whether almond milk provides 0 or 1 g. of protein per serving is pretty much just a rounding question. In either case its protein contribution is trivial, and it means almond milk is not going to be a significant source of protein in anyone’s diet.</p>
<p>bclintonk, great post. I usually do not argue with radicals, because it is futile.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I think I will round up the 0.8 g of protein contained in one bottle of Corona beer to 1. How many bottles of Corona does an average human need to consume per day to get a healthy daily dose of protein?</p>
<p>All jokes aside, if PETA is so concerned about cows and other animals, PETA shoud:</p>
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<li>Lobby the state governments to outlaw ownership of cats and dogs</li>
<li>Abolish all organic agriculture (when this happens, I will buy MON)</li>
<li>Sign up for every Phase I clinical trial and lobby the government/FDA to allow the use of humans (i.e., PETA volunteers) in the preclinical data generation.</li>
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<p>I will let the resident radical figure out the details.</p>