I tried to explain to the public school choir director that the “winter” concert in December couldn’t be all Christmas songs with a Hanukah song thrown in. He didn’t get that the music choices were keeping non Christian kids from signing up for choir.
We have girls on the wrestling team. Boys on the dance team. Coed volleyball and crew. Everything is pretty even with the differences of football for the boys and field hockey for the girls. Baseball, boys, softball, girls. I don’t think many girls would want to be in our losing football team when then can be on the state championship field hockey team with the best coach. I
My dad played football but also took ballet because he had so many sisters who danced and boys were needed. He thought he was good (no. He also thought he spoke Japanese from his time in Okinawa, again, no.)
I don’t think you should unnecessarily limit kids. Religion in dance sounds odd. @rhandco Can’t even imagine how that works.
We also have girls on the wrestling team. And while our football team doesn’t have girls, there are a few schools in the area that do (and not always the kicker). I have no idea if there are boys on the dance team (they’re not winning any awards), but there are boys on cheer. The volleyball team is all girls, but I’m pretty sure everything else either has separate boy/girl teams (soccer, golf, track) or mixed teams.
“We also have girls on the wrestling team”
And that’s a choice your school district made (or state association). The Minn high school association made the decision only to allow girls on the dance team. Some associations set up co-ed teams, others set up two teams with one male and one female. The school mentioned above doesn’t have a boys’ field hockey team and doesn’t let boys play on the girls’ team.
Some sports just aren’t popular enough to sponsor teams in a certain area.
@twoinanddone Look, I’m not telling Minnesota what they can do. If they want to be 1950s, great for them. I can sympathize with the Wisconsin boy though.
@tutumom2001 Not only is our volleyball team coed but it is called “unified” which means it includes kids with disabilities. It’s very popular actually.
@gouf78 Dance and cooking. The way to go. DS1s current GF doesn’t dance but cooking is their thing.
@gearmom – Learning to dance isn’t all about skilll level–it’s learning how to be a gracious partner and enjoying the moment with someone else. Some training just makes that easier.
Gloria Allred tells a funny story about attending an all girls high school in Philadelphia – they had all the usual sports teams and also a cheerleading squad which she was on. She recalls that when she first started dating her high school boyfriend he said to her " Why do they have cheerleaders at an all girl’s school? What is there to cheer about?" Hilarious!
@HarvestMoon1 That is funny. When my kids were younger, I was outside chatting with a neighbor and it was getting late. And I said, well have to take my boys to dance and she said and my daughter has hockey. Hockey is HUGE for girls here. It’s all how you look at things. Hopefully Gloria dumped him. Failed the litmus test.
@twoinanddone “The Minn high school association made the decision only to allow girls on the dance team.” But isn’t the point of this thread to question whether or not that decision is appropriate in 21st century United States? Why is Minnesota being unfair just because the plaintiff is a boy - and what would be the legality if the situation were reversed and a Wisconsin football team is disqualified because it had a female kicker?
Title ix never said boys have to be on girl teams or vice versa. It is being taken way out of context.
Count me as being on the fence.
I may be in the minority here, but I’ll risk opening a can of worms. One opinion I have heard the last few years was a girl being good enough to join a boys’ team. We often hear this about a girl wanting to be a football placekicker for example. I can see some of that opinion. But the risk is the greater issue of fairness. If we say - if she’s good enough, then let her play! It’s only fair! Then what about the boy good enough to make the girls’ volleyball team? What if 6, 7, or 10 boys are good enough to make the girls team? Does a team of 10 boys travel to play school rivals of a team solely of girls? Do the same people decry- It’s only fair! Displace all those girls!
^ In my state there are no boys’ field hockey teams. They’ve started letting boys play on the girls teams, and these teams are now dominating and winning championships because of the physicality of the sport allows boys to dominate. One boy on the team is enough to shift the balance. Is this fair?
A girl was allowed to play on the boys’ golf team because her school didn’t have a girls’ golf team. She won the state championship tournament in the fall, however the title was awarded to the second place boy, because she technically wasn’t allowed to play in the tournament since there is a girls’ tournament in the spring, even though she can’t play in that since her school doesn’t have a girls team. Is this fair?
Because being anti-Christian is fine-o-matic, while being anti-Semitic or anti-Muslim not so much.
^^She CAN play in the girl’s golf tournament in the spring as an individual. There is no girls’ team in her school, so she can pay on the boys’ TEAM in the fall, but she wasn’t playing as an individual. She can do that in the spring at the girls’ tournament.
Wisconsin made the decision to allow boys to participate on the girls’ team. That’s how if feels it is best serving its students. They do not sponsor lacrosse (boys or girls). Maybe they feel that is how best to serve their students. Minnesota made another choice and that is to not allow boys on the dance team. Maybe Minn has 6 other sports for boys and it needs to balance that with female only teams. If this were a sport like field hockey, and Wis allowed boys on the team but Minn didn’t, is that fair to the Minn teams of just girls? You can argue that Minn should allow all teams to be co-ed, but I’d argue that changes the nature of the sport. Ever play co-ed softball? Very different than girls’ softball.
Here in Colorado there are very few high school sponsored hockey teams. MAYBE one in a school district and all the kids for that district play on that ONE team. A few of the Catholic schools have them. Maybe 10-15 teams between Denver and Colorado Springs. In Minn every school has a team, sometimes a jv team too. And a girls team. That’s the sport they want to support and people would be furious if there were 20 teams in the whole state because they needed to add boys dance teams throughout the state. In Denver, most high schools have varsity and jv (and a freshman team) for lacrosse. For a few years, the biggest schools had double varsity teams and double jv team - yes, these schools had 5 lacrosse teams for boys, another 5 for girls because there were so many kids who wanted to play. And Wisconsin has none?
It is a decision the high school athletic association made to best serve their students. Everyone decision is going to make someone unhappy.
A lot of colleges are dropping their men’s swim teams. Just don’t have the money to support them but keep the women’s team to stay in compliance with Title IX. Should those boys now be allowed to swim on the girls’ team? It’s a non-contact sport, it’s fun for them, who does it hurt to just include them and let them swim? Oh, how about the girls who will now be swimming against men?
It seems like dance is different from swimming, somehow. But I never did either, so that do I know?