<p>This is one of the most bizarre threads I have ever read. Let’s shoot the messenger.</p>
<p>This is from SAE’s home page:
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<p>Those coke-heads were not True Gentlemen.
Look - consider this. If this house was raided and Aubart was there at the time - his own career as an Army officer would be in jeopardy. Imagine losing your commission because your bonehead frat brothers engaged in illegal activity and dragged you into it.
Yes, even being arrested can impede a securtiy clearance.<br>
These guys were warned. Aubart was probably at the end of his rope.</p>
<p>Aubart obviously saw lots of bonehead stuff over the years but chose to make a report right before he was going off to his own secure future. If he was that concerned about this kind of stuff, he could have chosen not to live with these guys to begin with, reported it earlier or certainly left the house at any point.</p>
<p>I’ve been thinking more about the petty meanness of that affidavit towards the Bridgette girl. One possibility, of course, is that the detective included it in the affidavit (and maybe coaxed it out in the first place) so that she would see it and be angry, and thus more willing to testify against the others. It’s hard to imagine anyone getting convicted for using cocaine without her testimony that she saw it happening. </p>
<p>Hanna’s little internet find also raises the possibility that what’s in the affidavit really has nothing to do with the relationships here, and that the detective was essentially making things up and putting words in other people’s mouths. (“Did she want to hook up with you?” “I dunno, maybe? She never said anything.” “Are you interested in her romantically?” “Uh, no.”) </p>
<p>So I’ll reserve judgment (as if that mattered) on whether the Shea boy is a jerk or not for having talked about her so ungallantly. We don’t know what he actually said; we just know what the cop chose to put in his affidavit. And we absolutely know that what the cop chose to put in his affidavit is a very selective culling from his investigation, because there is no material from what seems to have been extensive interviews on the night of the incident.</p>
<p>A lot of folks are throwing around the word “privileged” like it’s a synonym for debauched or entitled. It isn’t. Not all Dartmouth students are privileged and not all SAE brothers are privileged. Most importantly, not all privileged kids are cokeheads or jerks. Also, I’m not convinced that being privileged somehow aggravates the severity of the crime of drug use. Sure these students had other options for entertainment. But by the same token, an urban kid with enough money to buy cocaine also has other options–buying a new CD, going to the movies or a concert, even taking a subway to a museum. Having wealth doesn’t make the crime more reprehensible. At least for affluent kids the money wasted on drugs comes out of excess–it’s not robbing food from the family table and the user doesn’t have to steal his drug money either.</p>
<p>"Can they use cocaine to help them during their studies of law and emergency medicine? What about Adderall? "</p>
<p>Oh good grief, no coke for that. “I am sorry, we cannot give you more time for your legal studies, despite your diagnosis of ADHD, untill we know you are snorting coke regularly. It helps lots of kids, and is damned cheaper for us than actually providing accommodations”</p>
<p>“Also, I’m not convinced that being privileged somehow aggravates the severity of the crime of drug use.”</p>
<p>At some level, I think privilege of all kinds, and especially wealth, do need to be justified, and I expect those people who have privileges to live in such a way as to show they are justified. To live up to certain standards. (expect in the sense that I think its highly inappropriate when they don’t, not as in I would bet a quarter on it) But then I realize that I am not in synch with most of the culture on that.</p>
<p>Ah, yes. That article also includes Aubart’s famous e-mail from the previous quarter (long on sarcasm, short on anything else). That and the anonymous source in the article help confirm that the cocaine users are hardly blameless here (in case anyone thought they were). And not just culpable for breaking the law, but also for acting like jerks towards their fraternity brothers. This unfortunate fraternity seems to have been long jerks and short common sense and accommodation.</p>
<p>“I expect those people who have privileges to live in such a way as to show they are justified. To live up to certain standards. (expect in the sense that I think its highly inappropriate when they don’t, not as in I would bet a quarter on it)”</p>
<p>I’m with you on this.</p>
<p>I also think that all students at Dartmouth are privileged by definition, even if they came there from the inner city on full fin aid. It’s always a privilege to attend that kind of university. Every single person there is lucky to be there and ought to act like it.</p>
<p>What I found interesting is that Aubart’s email did NOT say he’d contact S&S if people used coke in a common room again; his affidavit says he did.</p>
<p>This article sheds a bit more light on the use of drugs at Dartmouth. It suggests that at most houses coke wasn’t tolerated in the common areas. </p>
<p>the argument that dartmouth students shouldn’t do coke because they are privileged is flawed because it’s stupid. these are kids just like kids at any other school. they can do whatever the f*** they want…</p>
<p>feinyNY: What the heck are you talking about? As far as I know, there was no “Harvard incident” remotely resembling your description. There WAS an incident at Harvard involving one non-student small-time drug dealer being killed by some other non-student small-time drug dealers, but it was essentially a robbery gone bad, nothing to do with turning anyone in.</p>
<p>Re the statement of the SAE spokesperson…so SAE is going to go around the country closing all of their chapters where alcohol is served to minors? Ha. HA HA HA HA. Not.</p>
<p>What a load of CYA garbage.</p>
<p>The more I read about this the more I wish they would just close all of the frats and sororities and be done with it. Institute a residential college system.</p>