<p>hey sempitern555, please dont try to explain anything to BCgoUSC and us_benz. i tried ALOT, but they still find it too difficult to understand.</p>
<p>“they are gradually becoming morally decrepit and will soon fall into disorder and disrepair.”</p>
<p>hmm, doesnt that sound like something the nazi party would put out</p>
<p>and when you referred to the bush administration’s policy on environmentalism did u mean his policy that the only good environment is one with oil derricks or lacking that endless suburban sprawl and smog as fas as the eye can see</p>
<p>like I said, sempitern555, these guys are too thick-headed to be aware of reality.</p>
<p>they are wrapped up in their aloofness and believe that they are operating from a mountain of moral and cultural superiority, this tends to blind people to the realities of life</p>
<p>yeah, its sad, especially when it happens to such highly educated people as BCgoUSC and uc_benz</p>
<p>Going against the Constitution? It’s called the Patriot Act chief. The Congress passed it and the courts have upheld its merits. If you seem to think you have secret intelligence that the most powerful government in the world does not have, I’m sure everyone would be glad to hear it.</p>
<p>And you are still uselessly trying to accuse Guantanamo Bay of atrocities. Sure it isn’t the most comfortable place in the world, why would it be? Quite a few of these people have contributed in one way or another to the suffering of Americans. But these wild claims you are throwing out have never been proven. You can’t live in America and disregard a principal right of INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty.</p>
<p>And the President doesn’t control the flow of public information. It’s called the Freedom of Information Act. The only thing he essentially has control over are confidential documents, and they are confidential for a reason.</p>
<p>Until another country challenges America, which none are even close, we will remain the premier superpower.</p>
<p>Does this sound familiar to anyone?
Long live liberalism!</p>
<p>uc_benz, I will clearly show you the problems of Bush’s policy. First, lets see the problems of his economic policy:</p>
<p>Soaring fuel prices and slowing job growth are presenting President Bush with a difficult choice: He can concede there are problems with his economic policies or insist the recovery is progressing - and risk looking out of touch.</p>
<p>The first President Bush lost re-election in 1992 in part because of a perception by voters that he was isolated from the concerns of average workers. The younger Bush has worked hard to show his engagement, traveling extensively to promote his tax cuts and other economic incentives.</p>
<p>But the recent spate of bad economic news threatens to undermine his message that the economy has “turned the corner” on jobs. Instead of turning a corner, “our economy may be taking a U-turn instead,” asserts rival John Kerry.</p>
<p>With polls showing Kerry holding a clear advantage over Bush on the issue of creating new jobs, Democrats announced Monday that party leaders were heading for cities where Bush spoke last week - in Michigan, Ohio, New Hampshire and Iowa - to ask people whether they agreed America has turned a corner.</p>
<p>“If George Bush doesn’t drop this new campaign slogan, he’s in danger of becoming the new P.T. Barnum of American politics,” Democratic National Chairman Terry McAuliffe said in a conference call with reporters.</p>
<p>Bush, meanwhile, is trying to hedge his bets - insisting that the recovery is on track while his aides weigh a series of possible new economic campaign themes and initiatives for a second term, including tax code simplification.</p>
<p>“The economy is strong and it’s getting better,” Bush told reporters Monday in the Oval Office. “This campaign is going to be talking about visions, about how to keep the economic recovery going.”</p>
<p>Part of Bush’s dilemma is that economists are mixed on whether the recent spate of bad economic news is still the “soft patch” Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan identified in June or a harbinger of truly bleaker times ahead.</p>
<p>Recent reports have shown four months in a row of declining job growth, ever higher oil prices and a drop in consumer spending. Continued…</p>
<p>“The economy clearly has weakened. It’s not clear why, and therefore it is particularly uncertain how the economy is going to perform between now and Election Day,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Economy.com. “So Bush is taking a risk. But I don’t know that he has a choice. The die has been cast.”</p>
<p>The stimulative impact of Bush’s policies may be wearing off after three years of tax cuts, low inflation and low interest rates. Skittish corporations are curtailing or putting off new hiring and investment. Possible terror attacks, conditions in Iraq and the close presidential race itself are adding to the economic uncertainty.</p>
<p>Even Greenspan’s Fed, which pushed down interest rates to 40-year lows and held them there for months, can no longer help. It appeared poised to raise a key short-term rate a quarter of a point on Tuesday, following a similar hike - the first in four years - in June.</p>
<p>“There are no policy tools left for Bush to use. He’s taken his best shot,” said Thomas Mann, a scholar at the Brookings Institution.</p>
<p>Bush remains on track to be the first president since Herbert Hoover to preside over a net loss of jobs. The nation has about 1.2 million fewer jobs than when Bush took office, despite the creation of more than a million jobs over the past 12 months.</p>
<p>According to an AP-Ipsos poll, fewer than half - 46 percent - of those surveyed last week said they approve of Bush’s handling of the economy. Kerry’s advantage over Bush on the question of who would do better at creating jobs was 55 percent to 39 percent.</p>
<p>The issue takes on larger political significance, because states that have suffered the biggest job losses are also likely to be key fall battlegrounds.</p>
<p>“A number of these states are Rust Belt states, and their economies took a huge hit,” said Stephen J. Cimbala, a political science professor at Penn State University. “The economic issue will be the most important one in these states, barring a catastrophic reversal in Iraq or a major terror attack.”</p>
<p>Bush stands by his claim that the economy has “turned the corner” on jobs, aides said, even though he hasn’t used that phrase in the past few days.</p>
<p>“You have to look at the overall picture. The economy is moving forward, and we’re not turning back,” said White House spokesman Scott McClellan.</p>
<p>We are on a mountain of cultural and moral superiority. Are you telling me that supporting abortion is morally superior to protecting a life or that the culture of America is inferior to that of sub saharan africa? I think you need to stop worrying about PC and realize some things that, although may be controversial, are trueties.<br>
Long live libertarian conservatism!</p>
<p>Does this make sense to you? If it still doesnt (which i am assiming), I will gladly go over Bush problems over the environment, foreign relations, and domestic issues.</p>
<p>Okay the word is assuming but feel free to give me your liberal spin on everything
Keep in mind that I am an avid fisherman, hunter, conservationist when you speak about the environment so I am prepared to defend my stances on any issue
Since you obviously spend every minute of the day on CC, I’m sure I’ll be getting a prompt response</p>
<p>I’m glad that you are good at copying and pasting though since you obviously are not able to think for yourself.</p>
<p>primitivefuture’s post = 183
BCgoUSC’s posts = 279</p>
<p>i guess it is YOU, rather than I whose life is wrapped over cc</p>
<p>Well , unlike YOU, I research before I say anything. I actually THINK before I speak, unlike you.</p>
<p>At least uc_benz made some valid points just as I. All you do is post baseless statements without backing them up.</p>
<p>Excuse me? All that I have seen you do is copy-paste, copy-paste, copy-paste. And I had so many posts because I was on the Harvard and Duke boards all the time during application time.</p>
<p>I, not you, do think through everything I say on this board and do research. If you want to prove this, pick an issue and we will debate on the board. I guarantee you I will prevail.</p>
<p>“I, not you, do think through everything I say on this board”</p>
<p>why would I think for what YOU would say? lol. </p>
<p>I do not want to create any hostilities with you over one president.There is no need to make any excuses. I have apologised before on this thread for some mistkes I have made, I had the GUTS to accept my mistakes, unlike anyone else here.</p>
<p>I understand why you have so many posts, and I wish you good luck on your acceptance to Harvard and Duke.</p>
<p>But you say disrespectful things that proves nothing in your debates. For instance, you said:
“I’m laughing at the rest of the world because they are gradually becoming morally decrepit and will soon fall into disorder and disrepair. We will see who is laughing last.”</p>
<p>With such lame remarks, there is NO WAY you are winning any debates.</p>
<p>And dont you think that uc_benz copied and pasted his stuff too? If he didnt, I bet he has no life other than research and typing (in his own words) such long posts for some stupid debate.</p>
<p>Well you really picked the wrong area to argue in, economics. I am an economics major so you can try me if you really want to. Ask any investment analyst, and they will tell you that the stock market is bullish right now. For those of you who don’t know bullish=positive. </p>
<p>And when the Fed raises interests rates it means the economy is doing well. When more money is put into the consumers hands and the interests rates are low, the consumers take out more loans to buy stuff that they normally wouldn’t. This increased spending raises the possiblity of inflation so the Fed raises the interests rates to curb the purchases of loans to keep inflation in check. So, even though raising interest rates are a bad sign for consumers, its a good sign in that the economy is doing well and they have to do something to curtail it.</p>
<p>And for the stupid question about who has more posts: you’re exactly the same. 46 posts/month.</p>
<p>You may be an economics major, but my sources are from professionals.</p>
<p>“Bush remains on track to be the first president since Herbert Hoover to preside over a net loss of jobs. The nation has about 1.2 million fewer jobs than when Bush took office, despite the creation of more than a million jobs over the past 12 months.”</p>
<p>These are REAL stats, buddy.</p>
<p>As for the number of posts goes, you’re right behind me.45 posts/month.</p>
<p>Yeah, those are stats. OLD stats. Democrats use that stat before job creation started. There has been a gain in employment in every month over the last year. At this rate, it will be a net gain in jobs. Update your stats, please.</p>
<p>They may be old stats but, and this time in America, such an employment rate loss really shows how bad Bush really is as president.</p>