<p>For all this talk about proper behavior, what about the rest of the fans at this, or any other event, where there are a small group going over the edge? WHy did the people who knew and recognized the inappropriateness of what was going on tnot ell them to shut up, get them out of there or call for security if they didnt have the ability or stomach for confronting the offenders?
It bothers me no end that anytime someone in public is offensive, the people telling the offensive person to stop their behavior are looked upon negatively, until later when its safe from behind a pen or a desk.
So not only are the offending students wrong, those who stood by and witnessed the attacks without doing anything for 90 minutes are just as bad if not worse, IMHO, and thats on both sides of the fan base.</p>
<p>I doubt that there was cell phone coverage because very few people witnessed the behavior. Although there is apparently some fire, there is more smoke blowing about this.</p>
<p>[TheDartmouth.com</a> | Kim apologizes to Faust following squash heckling incident](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2009/12/02/news/squash]TheDartmouth.com”>http://thedartmouth.com/2009/12/02/news/squash)</p>
<p>Will people note the immediate attempts at corrections/apologies/and few people involved or will the Valley new sensationalism win all the commentary?</p>
<p>Again, a few fans went over the line. It is not “Dartmouth” behavior as a rule.</p>
<p>“I don’t think that the football conference participated in by a school has much bearing on the presence or absence of bigots or drunks. The Ivy League schools vary quite a bit in the types of students they attract.”</p>
<p>Ivies, though, try hard not to accept bigots including not wanting to accept homophobes. That kind of criteria for admissions acceptance isn’t something that most colleges use.</p>
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<p>This refers to a comment made to Cohen during the match of asking him ‘do you like bagels.’ It is mentioned that he had not scored at that point, thus a zero (0) on the scoreboard. While a ‘bagel job’ is standard slang for a shutout in tennis (I can’t speak for squash) I think it is reasonable to believe that this was an attempt at a double entendre reflecting on Cohen’s possible heritage as well as (possibly) the score. Not cool. </p>
<p>That said, some of these blanket comments about Dartmouth students are also uncool and unfounded.</p>
<p>Yeah, I think it’s a bit past belief to think that the student who made the bagel meant only one connotation. (especially as the “cheating in business” comment was also aimed at the Jewish student.)</p>
<p>Jim Kim was revered at Harvard when he taught there. Before he left for Dartmouth, he taught a Core class together with Paul Farmer and Arthur Kleinman. It is really sad that he has to apologize to his former school for the behavior of students at his current one. His appointment as Dartmouth new president was greeted with a racist viral email describing him as “Chinaman” (he is of Korean origin).
If he wishes to return to Harvard, I have no doubt he will be greeted with open arms.</p>
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<p>I don’t remember the checkbox on my application where I had to indicate if I was, or had ever been, a bigot.</p>
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<p>Therein lies Dartmouth’s problem – of course, many in academia fall to such moments. But they are WORTHLESS without repercussions. A fast way to teach the kids is to suspend 'em for a quarter, with no tuition refund. An extra tuition check plus summer school (to graduate on time) will get Daddy’s attention real fast. Daddy will guarantee Dartmouth that such behavior wouldn’t happen again. And the same is true for all the drunks which permeate the campus culture. Suspend 'em instead of coddle 'em.</p>
<p>But it won’t happen. Unfortunately.</p>
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<p>Oh, puleeze. A group of the brightest 18-22 year-olds in America don’t know where to draw a line? (And this one wasn’t even close.) Forget the bigotry and all the other (correct) comments on this thread, the heckles themselves were not even creative – beyond plain stupid. Contrast such obnoxious behavior with the Cameron Crazies at Duke, who, while also some/many times obnoxious, at least they can be creative.</p>
<p>It probably would be impossible to identify the perpetrators in order to suspend them.</p>
<p>I think the saddest thing about the report on Dartmouth.com is the responses to the article, published on the website. Those that ostensibly were there still felt they did not step over the line. So I’m guessing whatever the Dartmouth administration choses to do about this will be brushed off by those responsible.</p>
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I go to about 25 college sports events a year and I would say it goes on at everyone of them to some degree … typically it is very few students among a much bigger crowd … the small crowd at the squash match along with over the top comments made it more visible IMO. If you want an example close to home go to any Harvard-Cornell hockey game and some (a few) of the fans will go over the line … a great rivarly and great events; too bad a few people feel the need to make themselves the show instead of the game itself.</p>
<p>Is it time for Flounder to return to Dartmouth and provide some sensitivity training??</p>
<p>I don’t think this is funny or cool at all, but I do think it’s funny that it happened at an Ivy League squash match. Maybe a Cornell-Harvard hockey game or maybe an Alabama-Auburn football game, but squash??</p>
<p>We’re used to the rivalry between Yale and Harvard. But the worst (and also funniest) example of it was the Yale prank that induced Harvard fans to hold up cards that read “We Suck” when the Game was being played at Harvard. And while Harvard fans had eggs on their face, everybody took it in good humor. I have not heard of Yale and Harvard fans yelling racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic epithets at one another. I don’t know what to make of this, except that it’s inexcusable behavior.</p>
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<p>At a squash match? (Obviously, not thousands in attendance.) But the rep from AD must have been apologizing for his house. More importantly, it’s the endemic culture and history of constant abuse with no repercussions. A couple of years ago, a D sorority, which was on probation for prior offenses, and restricted from in-house activities, secretly rented out a local hall to celebrate a successful rush week. Several girls were hospitalized for alcohol poisoning, including freshmen. The administration’s reaction: group hug and “teachable moment.” No repercussions whatsoever.</p>
<p>fwiw: Dartmouth’s Honor Code also covers “conduct”, not just academic transgressions. They take the latter very seriously, and the conduct piece, well not so much…</p>
<p>"We’re used to the rivalry between Yale and Harvard. But the worst (and also funniest) example of it was the Yale prank that induced Harvard fans to hold up cards that read “We Suck” when the Game was being played at Harvard. And while Harvard fans had eggs on their face, everybody took it in good humor. "</p>
<p>I was at that game, though I didn’t see or hold up a card.</p>
<p>I think it’s funny, and is a great example of the rivalry between the two schools.</p>
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<p>Did anyone apologize to Harvard?</p>
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<p>Not only funny, but creative.</p>
<p>"I am extremely disappointed and upset by this behavior,’’ President Jim Yong Kim said in an interview yesterday. “There is no question it was inappropriate. Players and families shouldn’t feel threatened like that.’’</p>
<p>Kim said he apologized to Harvard’s president, Drew Gilpin Faust, during a meeting Tuesday of Ivy League presidents at the Harvard Club in New York City.</p>
<p>Dartmouth intends to use the incident as a “teachable moment,’’ Kim said, with campus-wide discussions on appropriate fan behavior planned for January when school is back in session. Members of Dartmouth’s men’s soccer team, some of whom were involved in the heckling, initiated the discussions, he said. The shape has yet to be determined, but Kim vowed to be personally involved."</p>
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<p>I just read about an incident about the BYU quarterback lambasting the University of Utah fans for being very rude to his family while they were at the football game. I’ve read about fans beating up fans of the opposing team. You don’t have to look hard to find extremely inappropriate fan behavior at pro sports games. There is definitely a dark underbelly to sports watching.</p>
<p>I wonder if the soccer team miscreants had been drinking before going to “support” the squash team.</p>