<p>
</p>
<p>This is where I see problems arising–add alcohol to the mix and you have a recipe for bad behavior.</p>
<br>
<br>
<p>Apparently, yes it would. I wouldn’t have thought so prior to yesterday, but since this bad behavior by unknown students at an obscure squash match of all things in the islolated and tiny town of Hanover is making national news, it’s pretty safe to say that if the Gates thing had happened there it would have been Big News too.</p>
<p>Maybe it is the incongruity of it all happening at a SQUASH match, of all places.</p>
<br>
<br>
<p>It’s a non-event in New Hampshire newspapers.</p>
<p>^^It would have likely been a non-event if it happened against Cornell as well. It just happened to be against a certain Uni with a big city newspaper…</p>
<p>I think it being a non-event says something about the surrounding communities.</p>
<br>
<br>
<p>Right, but it’s a significant story in the national news, as the Gates story would have been if it happened there. </p>
<p>BCE, you keep trying to project rural NH attitudes and demographics onto Dartmouth, when it’s pretty clear there are, for better or worse, significant Town/Gown differences operating here.</p>
<br>
<br>
<p>I’m offering it as a potential explanation.</p>
<p>Consolation, none of the Ivy institutions is pristine and none of their student bodies is comprised solely of saints. However, do a Google search for racist incidents at Dartmouth. Not all of them occurred 20 years ago. There was the nice bit of “humor” about Dartmouth’s exemplary choice as President and more “humor” about Native Americans a few years ago. The differences between what has happened at Dartmouth versus other Ivies, if there is any, relates in part to the support the bad actors got in the past (“It was just an attempt at humor. They didn’t intend to hurt anyone’s feelings.”) and in part to the semi-organized nature of some of it. I think bluebayou’s post suggests more data than I have but this is consistent with my Google search. </p>
<p>At Yale, there was a fraternity whose pledges held a “We love Yale Sluts” sign outside the Women’s Center and the Women’s Center was looking to sue both the fraternity and the university. The university helded disciplinary hearings but concluding that this was not sexual harrassment. Not sure what happened to the Women’s Center suit. There was an attempt to create consequences, though I’m not sure that there were any. But, I think that the school creates a teachable moment primarily by creating real and observable consequences. It’s the actions that create the culture.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>If it’s a strawman it’s YOUR strawman. You are the one who suggested that the surrounding minority population in Boston would know what went on at a Harvard squash match and react to it.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>The #1 meaning of bemuse is to confuse or bewilder. Are you unaware of that or are you simply searching for ways to be offensive? As I’ve said repeatedly, I deplore this behavior and I think that it degrades those who engage in it.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>I would certainly agree. I’m not an admirer of Sowell OR the kind of person who rants about how everyone is too PC and should just “toughen up.”</p>
<p>BTW, I thought I read that the squash match incident was first covered in the Valley paper.</p>
<p>As for heckling at Harvard hockey games, I suggest that you go to boston.com and see what people have to say there. I’ve never been to one so I can’t say.</p>
<p>Uof C first son went to Russia with a ton of Dartmouth sudents. In the beginning he found them boring and didn’t understand why they wouldn’t party.(He would buy gads of champagne and crash boat parties…danced all night with real life russians:), they were student centric and not all that involved at first) At the end, he loved the Dartmouth students…but strangely enough, they were the slow nerds that needed ‘work’. So, nowhere near the CC reputation of either school.</p>
<p>Point of post? Maybe just realize that school’s are what you make of them. And that when you’re dealing with a top school…you’re going to have to deal with ‘nerds’…and that sometimes they have a better social life than you:) From Dartmouth to Chicago…life is what you make of it.</p>
<br>
<br>
<p>Who on this thread is complaining about nerds?</p>
<br>
<br>
<p>If you want to claim that I made a strawman, simply quote my words.
I did not make the claim that you suggest.</p>
<br>
<br>
<p>3 : to cause to have feelings of wry or tolerant amusement <seems truly=“” bemused=“” that=“” people=“” beyond=“” his=“” circle=“” in=“” seattle=“” would=“” be=“” interested=“” ruminations=“” =“” ruth=“” b.=“” smith=“”></seems></p>
<p>[bemuse</a> - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary](<a href=“http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/BEMUSE]bemuse”>Bemuse Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster)</p>
<br>
<br>
<p>I’ve never been to a hockey game either.</p>
<p>Boston.com is usually a large site. If you want to quote or point
to something, it’s best to use a direct link. If it’s a pointer to
a forum, a direct link is often useless as posts get pushed off the
top. In general, direct quotes are best for efficient commnuications.</p>
<p>I have never watched a squash match (West Coaster), so I don’t know who is present, but shouldn’t there have been a coach or referee present who could have and should have ejected spectators for inappropriate behavior? And aren’t there rules of etiquette and ethics that apply during the matches? It seems strange that the heckling would have been allowed to go on for 90 minutes.</p>
<p>At our local Y, there are a number of squash courts with four walls with one door to get into the court. There is one court with a transparent wall and some room for spectators outside. I’ve played on the tennis team and matches weren’t monitored closely. You went out with your opponent with a fresh can of tennis balls and played your match. You called your own lines.</p>
<p>I would guess that there was stadium seating in front of the court to allow so many spectators to watch a match. They might also have a court with more than one transparent side which would mean that people on the sides could watch.</p>
<p>^^Here is a picture of the venue:</p>
<p>[Racquetball</a> and Squash Courts - DartmouthSports.comOfficial Web Site of Dartmouth Varsity Athletics](<a href=“http://dartmouthsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=11600&ATCLID=588739]Racquetball”>http://dartmouthsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=11600&ATCLID=588739)</p>
<p>There is clearly bleacher seating in front of the glass wall, but it’s hard to say how far back it goes.</p>
<p>Wow, and I thought it was tacky and tasteless when people howled at kids trying to make a free-throw . . . This story is shocking.</p>
<p>I agree with bluebayou, to talk about “a teachable moment” is ridiculous. What student among them is going to be surprised to learn that it’s offensive and inappropriate to scream sexist and racist comments at others? Of course they know it’s offensive, that’s why they were yelling them! Dole out some reprecussions. They are representing Dartmouth and their actions are staining Dartmouth’s reputation and harming the good name of all the students there who don’t run around screaming slurs.</p>
<p>Shame on those idiots.</p>