<p>The thing is that except for some sciences, math and special ed there has been a very long hiring freeze and every year thousands of teachers graduate in NYC who are already certified and connected. They aren’t getting jobs and are ahead of new arrivals without certification or connections. The archdiocese grants very heavy preference to Catholic applicants, which means that the practical reality is that if you’re not Catholic it’s almost impossible. Many charter schools either openly or not, prefer teachers who can be racial/ethnic or gender role models to the popuation they serve, and the top private schools (my so attends one) hire first from their alumnae and then from top schools. My son’s school hired a social studies teacher at the last minute his fall. Male, certified, Ivy League BA, MA and pursuing a doctorate in a content field at Columbia. Also published. But even HE couldn’t count on a job and just got hired when another teacher moved away. If not for that, he would have been an unemployed teacher. </p>
<p>It really is that hard in NYC to become a teacher. Less so in other fields.</p>
<p>Religious schools no problem, as she is a christian and will be graduating from Messiah College. She will have her PA certification. Keep the ideas coming!</p>
<p>You can’t use a PA certification in New York, and if she isn’t Catholic, Archdiocesean schools are likely closed to a non-Catholic. Is your daughter bi-lingual in either Spanish or Mandarin?</p>
<p>If she has a level 2 or 3 certification in PA she’ll have reciprocity with NY. If she’s got a Level 1 (intern) certification she won’t. I don’t know enough about PA certification to know what that means, but she presumably will.</p>
<p>Curiousjane, there are still processes to go through and it takes time. That doesn’t mean she can show up and be certified in New York on the spot. In terms of the public schools, hiring is done with a file number and there is currently no way to even get a file number.</p>
<p>Yes, true, but it sounds like NYC public schools aren’t an option anyway. </p>
<p>I know here charter schools have a little bit of time to figure out certification for new teachers so for us certification in a state with reciprocity would be enough to get an offer if we loved that person otherwise.</p>
<p>That may be technically true, but the glut of certified candidates caused by the years’ long hiring freeze means that charters are inundated, too, with people from schools in NYC like Columbia, NYU, Fordham, etc. If the OP’s family can afford to carry their daughter financially for a few years or the daughter is willing to look at other career options, great, but I can’t stress enough how severe the impact of that hiring freeze has been and how far reaching.</p>
<p>D’s boyfriend couldn’t get a job teaching MATH, even with a Masters in Applied Math (and teaching license) from Stony Brook, a very good math program. He got 1! interview and there were 50 folks being interviewed. He posted his resume to do programming and got a job within a week. He’s doing that now and living in Brooklyn.</p>
<p>He had been promised a job by his department, but none materialized. He got offered a job as a TEACHER’S AIDE (with above masters) at a Long Island school. The pay was pitiful so he took the programming job. He would have had to remain at his parents’ house which he didn’t want to do.</p>
<p>I would tell the OP’s daughter to look somewhere else.</p>
<p>Reciprocity does not mean that another state will just certify you. It often means that they will accept your degree as equivalent to their states education degrees. When my daughter got a job in PA she had already taken the PA praxis tests and was certified in the state where she got her degree. It took quite bit of effort from both the Principal and School Superintendent for her to even get emergency certification for Pennsylvania. Now, PA to NY was easier, but that was also not a slam dunk and if she had not already been hired (on condition of that certification) she would have been out of luck. Her roommate who had just gotten her masters in education from NYU could NOT find a teaching job anywhere in NYC (her certification paperwork was done right after the hiring freeze) and after searching for a few months had to move back to the midwest. </p>
<p>My advice for new teachers is to find a job, or a sub job, especially a long term sub job, wherever they can. Experience is more important to schools then just the degree.</p>
<p>The Archdiocese schools do hire teachers of other faiths. My cousin is Jewish and her first NY job was at a Catholic high school however she was a double/LOTE teacher, both French and Spanish. Her undergrad degree was from Wesleyan, she did have some experience teaching/tutoring adults learning English in a university program and before moving to NY, she had a leave replacement job at a private middle school in suburban Boston. She actually like her school very much but after 3 years teaching there, she needed more money to live on. She did complete her Master’s from Hunter while teaching there which was all convenient as she could easily get to Hunter from that high school on the days she had class. She then went to a charter school in the Bronx for more money but said she would not wish that two-year experience on her worst enemy… she is now in her third year of leave replacement position at one of the NY elite public high school… but that position will end in June…hopefully else will open up for her there but if not she should have enough experience now for the one of the better private schools. </p>
<p>I know that my d who is an artist and adjunct faculty member at a Catholic College in NJ -also don’t have to be Catholic to teach there responded to an art teacher leave replacement position at Dalton … the requirements for a leave replacement is 5 years of experience.</p>
<p>You can sub in many school districts around NY with an undergrad degree and even become a “permanent sub” which is essentially the same as a full-time teaching job except that you have no benefits and I believe your time as a “permanent sub” does not count toward retirement, assuming you do get an appointed position ultimately. You must earn a Masters degree in NY within five years to secure an appointed position.</p>
<p>Doing everything yourself piece by piece is a PITA.</p>
<p>If you are doing this on your own (not having your college do your paperwork for certification), it can be a long drawn out process.</p>
<p>Case in point:
when I applied for my provisional (initial) certification, my paperwork was done through my school (grad program). The school started gathering our information in April, we graduated in May and I had my certificate in my hand in June. When I applied for my permanent certification, I filed my paperwork the minute I completed my full time work experience. It took a whole year for me to get my permanent certificate (lucky I had plenty of time before my provisional certificate expired).</p>
<p>The sad thing about all of this is, I am willing to be money, that although she has worked 3 years, the principal probably won’t evaluate her for tenure (so at least she would be a permanent position within the DOE). If she has spent these 3 years working provisionally, she probably won’t be eligible for tenure. This seems to be one of the strategies that some schools use; let you work as a provisional vs. appointing you and then cut you loose at june or renew you for a provisional position, with out you ever being permanent.</p>
<p>She should keep track of all of her time and paperwork, In the even that she gets picked up permanently, she should file for Jarema credit (to reduce her probationary period and to increase her salary step)</p>
<p>good luck to her. What she should also do is make sure that she ask someone to print out the list of open positions when open market starts so that she could apply for permanent positions.</p>
Technically they do. However, the Archdiocese is very open about granting significant preference to Roman Catholic applicants and in this day and age, there are so many applicantts for so few jobs that non-Catholic applicants won’t be considered.
However, there are plenty of independent schools that accept applications.</p>
<p>Ok, dumb question from someone who lives far from NYC.</p>
<p>Is hiring freeze due to less students to educate or do they just keep increasing class sizes?</p>
<p>Some teachers must retire each year thereby opening new positions, right? You can’t keep a hiring freeze going indefinitely without detrimental consequences.</p>
<p>Though the city politicians/educrats will try denying it, it’s the latter. Several neighbors and older alums with kids have been complaining that their public school class sizes have been increasing and/or certain types of classes have been cut. </p>
<p>Moreover, this isn’t limited to NYC, but nationwide. One friend’s wife on the west coast who just graduated last year with certification had a full-time teaching job offer rescinded at the last minute and is not subsisting on a patchwork of sub-jobs that she’s only notified of at 5 am of the day in question. Thankfully, said friend has a sweet tech job.</p>
<p>It is a combination of things including less funding as many schools this year have taken major cuts in their title I funding (a friend of mine who is a principal lost $800k out of her budget because her predecessor never had the student file lunch forms @ a school where the majority of students are eligible for free reduced lunch).</p>
<p>At the high school level it is more teachers in the license area than positions to fill. Right now there are ~800 teachers in ATR (absence teacher reserve). These are full time DOE employees who have not been permanently assigned to a school (for the most part because they are highly tenured people whose salaries may be considered a “drain” on a school’s budget. Would it be financially feasible to hire more teachers, when you haven’t placed all of the teachers who are already working in the system?</p>
<p>At the high school level, contractually in gen ed a teacher can teach 34 students in an academic classroom setting and 50 students in phys ed. So theoretically, with the exception of Special Ed classes;ICT and SETTS (which is capped at 8 students per class) and self contained classes, a ged en teacher can teach up to 150/200 students a day. </p>
<p>The numbers are lower at the elementary school level.</p>