He’s Chechen, which is an area with a contentious history with Russia. Currently yes, it is Russian. 15 years ago, that statement would have been disputable.
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So…those people gave themselves the Death Penalty?
What’s the alternative? One reason that Life W/O Parole people are put in solitary is because they have nothing to lose by committing other crimes against others. Same with those on Death Row.
Once you have Life w/o Parole or the DP, then suddenly you’re essentially untouchable in regards to further punishment.
I remember our priest in Calif said that altho he’s supposed to be against the DP, he felt that it was more merciful than spending the rest of one’s life in prison.
Post #80, the news keep saying he is Russian. I didnt think he was, but I have not been follow the news.
He is Chechen, and after he was captured the Chechen government and many people there disavowed his actions, the government there is more pro Russian these days, and they didn’t want Chechens to be blamed.
If he were given life without Parole, he would have been sent to the supermax prison in Florence, Colorado, where the garbage that bombed the World Trade Center in 1993 were sent, I think Terry Nichols (the guy who helped McVay bomb the building in Oklahoma), and by all accounts it is a brutal existence, they are in their cells 23 hours a day and are isolated. The claim is that by isolating them, it keeps them from committing violence or planning plotting to escape. It pretty much is torture, and in its brutality I wonder if we aren’t lowering ourselves to the level of those who commit these crimes. I am not saying that Tsarnaev doesn’t deserve harsh punishment, I don’t buy the bs he wasn’t culpable,it was his brother’s influence, that is a load of turds, a 19 or 20 year old knows damn well what they are doing, and the way they carried out the act, the cold blooded way they killed anyone in their path (remember the security guy at MIT?), and the fact that he apparently shows no sign of remorse means that he doesn’t deserve much mercy. However, I don’t think the way they keep them at Supermax is the way to do it, either, you can have them live a bare existence without torturing them.
As far as the death penalty goes, I don’t know what it will do, I don’t think it will deter anything, and quite honestly is simple vengeance. I realize why people want it, I understand the emotions (if someone hurt someone I loved, I think I could be capable of taking care of the person myself who did it), but I think in the end it doesn’t do anything. The terrorists who commit these kinds of things are willing to die for the most part, so the thought of the death penalty doesn’t scare them. If they do do the death penalty, I hope to hell they don’t send the body back to the parents, partly because the parents attitudes tell a great deal about how the two sons turned into the crap they did, but more importantly if you send the body back to the parents, his grave will become the tomb of a martyr, and you don’t want that, better to cremate the body and put the ashes where no one knows where they are,kind of like they did when they buried Bin Laden at sea.
I don’t think anyone actually thinks he’ll be executed unless he demands it at some point.
So really, he essentially has Life w/o Parole. The only way he’s leaving is in a box.
The reason the DP was on the table was to have a certain type of jury.
so, now what? People here aren’t happy that he’ll be in solitary. Well, what do think his circumstances should be while in prison?
As for the DP or Life w/o Parole being a deterrent…well, I’m sure it deters some people. And, more importantly, it will deter HIM from committing other crimes.
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was born in Kyrgyzstan as a Kyrgyzstan citizen; he later became a naturalized US citizen. His brother Tamerlan was born in the Russian SFSR, USSR and had citizenship in Russia and Kyrgyzstan.
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he later became a naturalized US citizen.
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hmmm…I’m all for: “give me your tired, your hungry, …”
I’m not for: “give me your future terrorists.”
While Dzhokhar and his mother naturalized in 2012, Tamerlan’s application for naturalization was held up for additional investigation, which was still the case at the time of his death. According to http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/us/tamerlan-tsarnaevs-citizenship-held-up-by-homeland-security.html?_r=0 , there was both the FBI being tipped off by the Russian government about suspicions of ties to Chechen terrorists, and a domestic violence incident.
Apparently, they were not looking at Dzhokhar’s social media activity, since that but nothing else what what gave indication of possible political support for radical and/or violent groups: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Tsarnaev#Education
I guess they are of Chechen ancestry but were not born in Chechnya. I thought the motivation was US tacit support of Russian occupation of Chechnya, but have these guys ever even been to Chechnya?
Edit: “The Tsarnaevs were forcibly moved from Chechnya to the Soviet republic of Kyrgyzstan in the years following World War II.”
Okay, that’s clarified I guess.
Eeek. I hope you’re not really.
It seems like Putin has made some friends in Chechnya and let them do whatever they want:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/wedding-millennium-involved-17-old-213807305.html
^ sounds like states’ rights … the big bad fed (Putin) shouldn’t interfere with local marriage customs.
Not cruel enough for what he did, I wish we could have public excutions for something like this, so that the whole world will see. That is what they do when they excute the innocent, great intimidation technique and intimidated we become that is for sure, while forgetting intimidating the enemy…
He did it to make a statement, probably making his execution public would strengthen his statement. I’d bet he’d prefer his execution be public. At least I can say that if I was in his shoes, I would.
And I don’t think it’ll be any more intimidating to terrorists/would-be terrorists. I’m pretty sure people aren’t terrorists because they think the US is weak.
I’m always surprised when people who don’t trust the government to do anything right trust it to kill citizens.
I oppose the death penalty for a number of reasons, but I think the biggest reason is that human decisions can always be mistaken, and you can’t undo the mistake after you kill somebody.
I was also troubled when I read about conditions at the Supermax prison–apparently many of the prisoners are driven into insanity. That doesn’t mean I think they should be let out, or given hotel suites.
@hunt I agree with you up to the point that there are many on death row where there is no question that “they have the right person.”
No one is arguing that Tsarnaev may be innocent or that it “was someone else”.
As an aside…I disagree with your point that the conditions at Supermax prison drive prisoners to insanity. The fact that they are there, what put them there, their mentally-unhealthy state to begin with, was the genesis for any later insanity conditions.
That is simply untrue, mom2. Lengthy solitary confinement inflicts significant psychological harm. Even on “normal” people.
“normal people” don’t commit crimes that put them in solitary in the US
Right. It’s disgraceful that prisons aren’t better. But everybody knows they are terrible…thats one reason most of us DON’T KILL PEOPLE. Your chances of going to prison go up significantly if you kill people. Don’t do the crime if…
If federal authorities are doing things on my behalf, there are lines I don’t want them to cross. Obviously, people disagree about where the lines should be. But do we disagree that there should be lines?
I don’t support the government-imposed death penalty under any circumstances. For many reasons. It is absolutely intolerable to me.
Which is not to say that I’m even remotely sorry that Jeffrey Dahmer, et al. are dead. But I am sorry that Timothy McVeigh is dead.