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I never said you needed experience to have an opinion, just that your lack of experience makes your opinion less than credible. There are probably people in your life that care whether you “like” them or not, and what your uneducated opinions are, but I’m not one. I’m going to be OK not being liked by a high school kid in California.</p>
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Objectively? OK. As a fictional high school student in Sri Lanka, how would you “objectively” determine the difficulty of admissions standards between colleges within a single university that you never attended? Would your opinion be “objective”, or just a wild guess?</p>
<p>^I hate debates on CC so we should all just chill.</p>
<p>I am more and more excited about M&T as I read this thread! Not that I’m gonna get in but…at least I could say I tried…</p>
<p>OK it’s been said, but if you’re talking acceptance rate, CAS is harder to get into than SEAS–but SEAS kids generally have more intense workloads.</p>
<p>aglages, the correct sentence structure would be: "There are probably people in your life who care . . . " I hope you don’t mind an uneducated kid from Southern California correcting your grammar. </p>
<p>If you haven’t noticed, this is a message board frequented primarily by anxious high school juniors and seniors. This isn’t a peer-reviewed scientific journal where theories are subjected to professional scrutiny. This is a message board where teenagers express their opinions. Get it?!?</p>
<p>For the record, assuming that hypothetical kid in Sri Lanka had access to the internet, he or she absolutely could objectively state an opinion regarding the rigors of diffferent academic institutions. It’s called research. Try it sometime.</p>
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No.
Which of the following is true:
You did research into the different acceptance rates of the UPENN colleges or you’re a teenage kid expressing an uninformed opinion?</p>
<p>first of all, you people need to chill out. </p>
<p>Second of all, M&T is grossly overrated. Those kids get completely destroyed and with no counterbalancing compensation. I know of one kid who got to campus as M&T and in the first day dropped to SEAS only. One of my mgmt100 teammates regrets not doing that too.</p>
<p>The workload is obscene and the stress is surreal. Imagine you, a 4.0 student from a top school, suddenly looking at a 3.0 GPA. Don’t get me wrong- you’re smart. It’s just that your physics class has international Olympians, your math class has nationally recognized kids and you forgot to divide your answer on the exam by 2…<br>
You then go to management, get into a fight with an ******* on your team, and have him mess up your grade (you grade each other).</p>
<p>Wharton or SEAS on their own are manageable. You can take classes in your niche subjects in the college where you can hedge your GPA. If your hedge for physics is management, you’re in trouble.</p>
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Thanks. First hand experience and informed opinions are very helpful.</p>
<p>one could say that about huntsman too</p>
<p>my huntsman alum roommate is a consultant, just like my seas alum roommate and me (another seas alum)</p>
<p>we all do vaguely similar work for firms with solid reputations in their respective spheres, are paid about the same and live in the same place…</p>
<p>… not much difference at the end of the day</p>
<p>^^ The truth has been spoken!</p>
<p>Only difference is that M&T and Huntsman kids can walk around campus with their noses higher in the air. But the key word there is “can.” In reality, their noses are usually down, in a book.</p>
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<p>LOL. If this actually happened to the M&T person in your group, she probably totally deserved it. She’s an interesting character.</p>
<p>It’s one thing to grade difficulty of acceptance, but speaking from experience as a student in Wharton, the smartest kids I know are in the college or engineering hands down. </p>
<p>I have a friend in engineering who was considering doing a dual degree in Wharton and decided not to, simply because M and T kids are really stretched thin. </p>
<p>In the Wharton core classes, none of the material is very difficult, you simply need to be thorough with your studying. </p>
<p>In any event when you get to Penn, you see that it doesn’t matter what program you’re in or where you’re from. Still a fun conversation though.</p>
<p>necrophiliac,</p>
<p>are you in M&T? I’m glad someone said the truth. The brochures all sugar coated the program way too much.</p>
<p>It’s still the top choice program in my top choice university, though=]</p>
<p>Hey, what do you think is the acceptance rate ED for Wharton? It has to be lower than the average ~30% right?</p>
<p>I’m not in M&T. I didn’t apply because I hate physics, chem and bio 
Gl with your endeavor but it’s more of an ego boost than anything else and I hope you understand that.</p>
<p>Hrmm, I’ve only been here for a semester so take this with a grain of salt:</p>
<p>Firstly, in terms of sheer workload/difficulty, its generally accepted that M&T is first. Engineering has a brutal workload and the wharton curve can get really killer. </p>
<p>LSM would probably be just under that and Huntsman would follow, since the language classes are significantly easier than hard sciences. </p>
<p>When it comes to wharton only, the degree of difficulty can really matter. There are some upper level finance courses in which you’d be breaking records with an 80% whereas in core classes, something like 95 might net you a B. The core classes are generally not very difficult but you’re expected to get near perfect on many of them since all core classes are curved. The really difficult courses are usually smaller and aren’t curved but you’re not required to do them of course, so really the difficulty of wharton is up to you. </p>
<p>In terms of single degrees, engineering is definitely the most work although not curved as insanely as wharton core, although still more than CAS.</p>
<p>The college is probably easiest difficulty wise, only very popular majors are curved and then only some of the classes. Lots of freedom to explore and you might end up actually learning more, although the experience is not as rigorous as some other programs.</p>
<p>What am I missing? According to the materials we got on our Penn Engineering visit, the acceptance rate is about 25%. They don’t say 25 percent - but they give the # applications and # admits. I thought it had better ‘odds’ than the college at large.</p>
<p>I think the percentage is higher for the selective programs only because people self-select. If you have a 2000 SAT and a 700 Math II, you might throw caution to the wind and apply to Penn, but you’d be insane to apply to Jerome Fisher, LSM, Huntsman, etc. These programs accept only a handful of students and each one accepted is beyond amazing. There aren’t too many students who have a realistic chance of acceptance into these programs, so the numbers of applicants drops. That’s not true for regular admission to Penn or other Ivies. For example, I know at least 25 people in my school who applied to Penn, and a few of those have SATs below 1700. They are willing to spend the money to take a one in a million shot. They wouldn’t dream of applying to Wharton or JF.</p>
<p>you can also check a box that lets you be cosidered for the college if you don’t get into M&T or one of those other programs, so you could say that they are getting two chances at penn</p>
<p>The brochure we received that had a 25% admit rate was associated with the Penn School of Engineering and Applied Sciences. The brochure had no refernce to Huntsman, Jerome, etc. It was clear that the statistics were applicable to those who applied to the College of Engineering and Applied Sciences.</p>
<p>…so to me it seems like if you apply to SEAS instead of a specialized program that you have a ‘fairly’ good shot it - if you consider 25% a good shot. Nevertheless, certainly a better shot than if apply to CAS or Wharton. </p>
<p>I noticed something similar on Duke’s website. The admit rate for the school of engineering is higher than the ‘college at large’. Infact, the early decision admit rate to engineering was almost 40%. </p>
<p>What’s up? Are kids losing interest in the field of engineering???</p>