Democrats make it very hard to vote democrat.

<p>“He destroyed more than just the public schools. Our towns are broke and people are needlessly dying in fires because fire departments are broke and resources are that scarce. Our roads are third world and many need to be completely rebuilt because towns couldn’t afford to maintain them.”</p>

<p>I’m not being difficult here, but I am asking whether the individual localities had any responsibility for these things, as opposed to the state. In other words, what did he do with the money? What did the localities do with theirs? Again, not trying to be difficult, but I don’t live in Massachusetts.</p>

<p>We have some ABC’s in our house. </p>

<p>(ABC= anybody but Clinton.)</p>

<p>The Clintons are now like the old Doublemint commercials. </p>

<p>…Two, Two, two for the price of one… Hillary now has her <em>loving</em> husband Bill throwing spitballs at Obama and trying to push him in a locker. How pathetic. :mad:</p>

<p>I am sure the repubs are chomping at the bit. They can’t wait to battle the dynamic duo! ;)</p>

<p>^ Totally agree 1sokkermom!</p>

<p>"…Two, Two, two for the price of one… Hillary now has her <em>loving</em> husband Bill throwing spitballs at Obama and trying to push him in a locker. How pathetic. "</p>

<p>Did you see the picture (drawing, actually) of the half Bill/half Hillary face in the WSJ today? HIlarious and so true.</p>

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please go back to post 93 … in Mass we’ve created a finance structure that is very tough for the cities and towns (and worse for the poorer ones) … and while Romney did not create this mess he did NOTHING to fix the underlying issues and did do simplistic things that exasperated the problems</p>

<p>I thought this was a good column
<a href=“http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/connelly/348405_joel23.html[/url]”>http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/connelly/348405_joel23.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>3togo, I see what you’re saying. Of course Romney should have led to make changes. Personally, I don’t think increasing taxes should be the option of choice, but leadership on spending would be crucial.</p>

<p>I’m not at all convinced that the Republicans should be hoping for Hillary as the Democratic nominee. The Clintons are really, really good at campaigning and winning elections. And some typical Republican campaign tactics may backfire and bring out women to vote for Hillary–which is why I think she won in New Hampshire.</p>

<p>1sokkermom: Was your husband as proud of his #1 choice as I was at the debate the other night? :wink: Did you see Edwards on David Letterman last night, by any chance? If not, you can catch it on YouTube. He did mention that he represented the “grown-up” part of the Democratic Party at the debate. So true. I realize Obama feels he needs to defend himself up there, but he did himself no good getting stuck in it with her the other night. Both Clinton and Obama were just embarrassing; the whole thing was a little weird, but sure made for good TV.</p>

<p>“please go back to post 93 … in Mass we’ve created a finance structure that is very tough for the cities and towns (and worse for the poorer ones) … and while Romney did not create this mess he did NOTHING to fix the underlying issues and did do simplistic things that exasperated the problems”</p>

<p>Excuse me, but does not Mass have a legislative branch? Is this branch not Democratically controlled? Don’t the Dems have veto-proof control of the legislative branch - almost to the point where the Republicans could hold their caucus in the coat room? Has this not been the historic makeup of the legislative branch? So, tell me why a governor for 4 years is the source of all of Massachusetts’s problem? Bad roads? I have never been in Massachusetts and observed good roads.</p>

<p>Sounds to me like the Democrats of Mass don’t want to take the blame for their own mess so they occasionally elect a Republican governor to become the official scapegoat.</p>

<p>hi janie,</p>

<p>Yes, H thought Edwards conducted himself well. I agreed. I have to admit, I think he left the Edwards sign in the snowbank on our lawn to make a statement.</p>

<p>It was actually (15 year old) D who pointed out that John Edwards was the most mature… :o</p>

<p>1sokkermom: Yep, I agree. Glad to hear you still have the sign out there, too. :)</p>

<p>Edwards is looking better all the time to me. Too bad he has no shot.</p>

<p>Hindoo: Well, I think the media is starting to look seriously at him again, and his chances improved greatly after that last debate. I’ve always thought he was the best candidate, by far, based on his stance on the issues and on his overall smarts and capability. As Obama and Clinton continue to self-destruct (and I predict they will), his chances just keep improving.</p>

<p>Oh, now you’re losing me - Can’t stand Edwards. And I’m Southern! Too narcissistic, too angry, appeals to our worst instincts, imo.</p>

<p>mammall: I’ve heard people say that before about Edwards coming across as angry. Frankly, I feel that if you’re not angry over the direction of how/where this country has gone over the last 8 years, then you’ve not been paying attention, or you’ve been in a coma. The current president has bled this country dry; Bush and his cohorts have been the worst thing that’s happened in this country’s history, in my opinion. </p>

<p>I think all 3 Democratic candidates are capable and smart and would be a vast improvement over Bush, but I think Edwards’ focus on the issues and his plans are the most viable and certainly the most detailed. And he was the first of these 3 to actually have detailed plans–on anything–and always answered honestly about the issues. Clearly, he performs the best in all of these debates as well.</p>

<p>To fundingfather, zoosermom and others unsure about Romney. Chevda and others, feel free to chime in with more details if you have them. </p>

<p>To understand how Romney as the Governor of the state personally screwed up the finances, you have to understand a little about how Massachusetts works. Back in the late 80’s or early 90’s, proposition 2.5 was enacted that prohibited towns from increasing their property tax collected on existing residential construction to 2.5% per year. It doesn’t matter if inflation is 1% or 15%, the revenue a town can collect from residential property tax, excluding new construction, can only go up by 2.5% per year. Pretty stupid eh? Pretty quickly, towns were unable to meet their obligations and a system was set up where the state provided “aid to cities and towns” that would allow the state to make sure the cities and towns could function. Since people’s incomes generally go up with inflation, it was a reasonably stable way to fund from state income tax revenues. </p>

<p>Romney championed an income tax cut and then slashed (he’s the governor, he makes the budget) the amount the state sent to the cities and towns. What happened was a financial Katrina, because the cities and towns had no means to raise the needed revenue. Romney just iced the puck and pushed the problem down to where it was least able to be solved, at the local level.</p>

<p>The cities and towns only have a mechanism to replace the lost revenue using Proposition 2.5 “override” votes for each expenditure. These often fail to pass because the average person thinks the towns are wasting money if you need an election each year, but if inflation is 5% and revenue only goes up by 2.5%, something additional must be cut every year on top of what was cut the year before. For some towns it was schools, for others it was police and fire, for others it was road repair. After a few years, it’s all of the above. </p>

<p>There are firehouses staffed by one fireman. People have died in fires that shouldn’t have; there was a recent one in Gloucester where that happened. If your town’s fireman (yes that’s singular) is already on a call, other towns must cover from much further away. School funding has been cut to the bone. Special education is mandated by law at the level each special needs student requires, but regular education is not, so that’s what gets cut. Gifted education was cut in most places a long time. Health care costs have skyrocketed. I’ve replaced 4 tires and 3 rims last year costing much more than I saved in income taxes or my share of the road repair. It was all a total disaster. </p>

<p>This IS Romney’s fault. He didn’t fix the problem, he just threw it off his desk onto the cities and towns. The current governor is trying to restore the cuts, but the damage caused by a failure to maintain infrastructure like roads and maintenance on public buildings will cost a lot more to fix now. </p>

<p>Just wanted everyone to understand why Romney would have gotten so few votes if he had the nerve to run for reelection as Governor. He didn’t have that nerve.</p>

<p>ClassicRockerDad, thank you so much for taking the time to post all that. I appreciate the information that you have provided, it really does help me to understand.</p>

<p>As a political matter, my inclination is to keep taxes as low as possible. I can see the conflict, but I do like the idea of holding to a 2.5% cap because it’s so easy to raise taxes. Obviously, fire houses and education are a priority, but is there nothing that could be cut or re-assessed at the local level? Are there long-term spending solutions that should be considered? As you know, I’m not a Romney supporter, so I’m not defending him, but my personal conviction is that taxes of any type should be raised as a last resort AND taxpayers’ money is first and foremost theirs, not the state’s.</p>

<p>Zoosermom, your philosophy is sound and it was exactly that of William Weld, the Republican Governor that followed Dukakis. He wasn’t against government, he was against stupid government. He didn’t gut aid to cities and towns. Some would said he gutted other things, but nothing so basic as schools, fire departments, roads and infrastructure. Romney effectively gutted those. </p>

<p>The problem with the 2.5% cap is that it isn’t tied to inflation in any way. Sure, make each town get it’s priorities straight, but at least allow it to fund a level-service budget every year that provisions for maintenance. If inflation is 5%, raise property taxes 5%, etc. With the unfunded mandates coming from the state growing at inflation, and an inflation rate that exceeds 2.5%, we have destroyed our infrastructure and gutted all departments just to pay for the mandates. If you ran your house this way, it would fall down, but it’s the way the local governments here have to operate.</p>

<p>The problem with raising property taxes the same amount as the inflation rate is many people are on fixed incomes or don’t have income increasing at the inflation rate.</p>

<p>They are forced to sell their homes to pay property taxes. </p>

<p>If you didn’t have a cap on property taxes, property would be worth less. For those that own and those that lend, that is a problem. </p>

<p>For those that don’t but want to buy, it will become a problem.</p>

<p>What prop 2 1/2 does is let you figure out what your property tax is and what it will be in the future so you know what you can afford when you buy the house and you are not concerned how much the government is devaluing the currency. </p>

<p>You decide what the prop tax is when you buy the house. You decide what you can afford. Your neighbor doesn’t decide what your property tax by what he pays for his house years later.</p>

<p>The prop tax is a very poor way to run a government.</p>

<p>Knowing that you are going to get your revenues no matter what the inflation rate is is a poor way to run the government. Where is the incentive to keep costs down if you know you are protected by inflation?</p>

<p>The best way for prop 2 1/2 to work is keep inflation below 2 1/2% and government spending increases below 2 1/2%.</p>

<p>Otherwise, I like the report on Romney. I always liked Weld.</p>