<p>BTW, there is a reason why eating disorders come to mind when I see a skinny model. According to some studies, 20-40% of models experience some sort of an eating disorder. Thank goodness the rate in the general population is not that high, and it is probably not that high even among athletes most prone to eating disorders, e.g., teenage cross country runners.
[Eating</a> Disorders Among Fashion Models](<a href=“http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/76241.php]Eating”>http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/76241.php)</p>
<p>MoWC, I actually have some of their men’s clothing. My daughter took me shopping so I could use her discount. Of course, I had to pay for all the clothing she wanted for herself! I picked up what they call their Yoga Shorts and a couple of sleeveless shirts, all of which is very comfortable.</p>
<p>If I time this right I can catch a rain break, bwahahaha. Of course, I might be wrong and end up soaked anyway, but I think I’ll chance it. Light jacket, heavier jacket, or hoodie, that is the question…</p>
<p>I just picked up my DD from college for her fall break and Ralph Lauren was on campus shooting a fall spread around her residence college. We both lingered and watched the models and camera people. The models were not really emaciated. They were very tall. And very strong bone structure in their features. Okay, they were gorgeous. But so were the kids watching and getting a kick out of it.</p>
<p>I decided a long, long time ago that sizes are meaningless. My size at Target is much bigger than my size at Nordstrom which is bigger than my size at Boden . . . who cares? I know when I’m getting too fat. By this age, it doesn’t take a clothes size to tell me.</p>
<p>Regarding eating disorders – they are real. I had a friend way back in my dance days who died of Anorexia. It happens. For the rest of us . . . I think our eating disorder is just that we’re hardwired to store up fat for the potential famine and we live in a society where it’s much more chic to look like someone who is so rich that there is no need for them to store up fat for a future famine. </p>
<p>My DH does a lot of work in diabetes and thinks that the gastric bypass surgery is going to become commonplace. What then? What will we decide is the hard-to-attain “look” ?</p>
<p>I’m surprised that models are needed to do a college shoot. I’d guess that any college campus would have enough people to do that.</p>
<p>You guys can get me the 7" Surge Shorts if you are Christmas shopping at Lulumon! Fortunately, I loaded up on Nike shorts when Marshall’s had them for $16.95.</p>
<p>Deborah:</p>
<p>I’d go the new cute lightweight hoodie. By the time you work up a sweat, it’ll be plenty warm and you’ll be back out of the rain before it can soak thru. I carry my little wispy Brooks hoodie, stuffed into it’s pocket everywhere I go. If it’s just sprinkling that’s the first thing I’m putting on.</p>
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<p>Speaking of water proof, I could just about kill the people at TJMaxx for getting a top-line [Marmot</a> Gore-Tex Pro shell](<a href=“http://www.paragonsports.com/wcsstore/Paragon/images/extra_large/5006-35170_cobaltbluebrig_el.jpg]Marmot”>http://www.paragonsports.com/wcsstore/Paragon/images/extra_large/5006-35170_cobaltbluebrig_el.jpg). I would never even consider buying one of these things at full price, but half price at TJ MAXX…</p>
![http://www.paragonsports.com/wcsstore/Paragon/images/extra_large/5006-35170_cobaltbluebrig_el.jpg]Marmot](http://www.paragonsports.com/wcsstore/Paragon/images/extra_large/5006-35170_cobaltbluebrig_el.jpg%5DMarmot){kind=link}
<p>Ran a full 3.1 miles on treadmill again in 29 minutes, including the 30 second of setting up. Will try running the whole thing in 6.5 mile/h speed and 7.5 for the last 1/4 mile next weekend.</p>
<p>have anyone ever run a 1/2 on a treadmill?</p>
<p>Rest day for me. Let the legs recover. I’m also continuing to fight the symptoms of a cold (sniffles, runny nose, etc.) even though I don’t feel sick.</p>
<p>While I was hiking down yesterday, I took advantage of some big steps to do a few one-leg squats on each leg. Of course, I was using the trekking poles, so I had some support for balance. Not like full one-leg squats. But, enough to get a little burn going. Probably looked like a complete dweeb, doing exercises while hiking… :)</p>
<p>DadII- a half marathon on a dreadmill? Most I’ve done is about 8, but I have a running friend who has run 50 mile training runs on a treadmill. He’s an ultra-marathoner. </p>
<p>IDad- very dweeby! I bet you still can’t believe it’s really YOU doing all this!</p>
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<p>I still pinch myself every day!</p>
<p>I stumbled across some photos of me five months into my fat loss at 215. I had lost 35 pounds at that point and was wearing some new “trim” clothes. Now that I’m adjusted to the way I look now, I look like a big ol’ fat guy in those photos. Sheesh.</p>
<p>Interesteddad, I didn’t have the time to respond to your post 20879 about heart rate, but now I have a moment. The reason I think use of heart rate reserve is significant is because it correlates at virtually a 1:1 ratio with percentage of VO2 max. If you graph % VO2 max and then do an overlay of oxygen used at % HRR, the lines are superimposed at all hr percentages. In contrast, using just straight hr % results in the % of O2 used at hr below 90% to be significantly below the percentage VO2 max. It is the % of VO2 max that provides the training effect so if you are using hr as a surrogate for VO2 consumption, you want to be as accurate as possible.</p>
<p>Here’s how the numbers pan out for me:</p>
<p>Hr% Hr HRR
60. 114. 136
65. 124. 143
70. 133. 150
75 143. 157
80. 152. 163
85. 162. 170
90. 171. 177
95. 181. 183
100. 190. 190</p>
<p>As you can see, some big differences below 90%</p>
<p>The longest distance I ever ran on a treadmill was 11 miles. It was in a hotel situated in the middle of nowhere, so I had no choice but run on the crummy machine in the stinky gym! :eek: I could have ran a couple more miles, but that was not in the training plan. It was not the most pleasant run in my books, and I have no intentions to repeat it. </p>
<p>That said, I ended up running on my Precor; 3.7 miles, 31 min (Deborah, you are much braver - I did not even consider running outside today).</p>
<p>sewhappy, RL apparently was notorious for photoshoping their normal-looking models to look emaciated, and one of such photos caused a huge public outcry with some calling for boycott of RL products. The ladies pictured in ads on RL site do not look like they are starving. I agree that eating disorders are devastating and should not be dismissed as “something in one’s head”. I know too many young ladies who battled anorexia, and in some cases the parents were to be blamed.</p>
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<p>That’s probably because the proponents of V02 max and heart rate reserve are the same people, and largely geared towards long-distance endurance training. They are also the people who have been beating the training zones drum with a lot more implied precision than is probably warranted. One popular estimate of VO2 max is simply a ratio of max to resting heart rate multiplied by 15, isn’t it? Do these things really correlate to provide any meaningful information, or do they all fit with a particular model that may or may not be useful outside of one specific area of athletic performance? </p>
<p>Is V02 max actually predictive of anything? Mine is OK by the heart rate estimates (my lowest observed resting heart rate is 48). But, I can barely run a half a mile. My endurance cardio capacity is horrible. And, my true measured VO2 max would be horrible. In my case, heart rate reserve and V02 max are poorly correlated.</p>
<p>If you’ve got a heart rate monitor that will give you direct read out of heart rate reserve and you are used to monitoring your performance that way, go for it. I don’t see any disadvantage. On the other hand, if you heart rate gives you a direct read out of % of max and that’s what you are used to monitoring, I can’t think of any reason that won’t work, too.</p>
<p>No matter which system you use, I think the take home message is that it’s a good idea to do various types of exercise that have you working in various heart rate zones as there are benefits to be had from exercising in all the various zones.</p>
<p>I don’t look at VO2 max for purposes of predicting anything but instead use the % of VO2 max (and therefore %hrr) to structure training intervals if I am using hr based training. It’s just a more accurate measure of the level of training effect going on for the individual based on their own VO2 max. My own training is based on actual measured lactic and anaerobic thresholds, measured wattage and heart rate with my objectives being to push my thresholds to higher hr and wattage levels, to increase the wattage I can generate and lower my heart rate at given wattage levels and to extend the amount of time I can function at my LT and AT levels. My training routines were structured based on performance lab testing where blood lactic acid, carbon dioxide levels, wattage and heart rate were all measured to come up with my metrics for training zones. When training, I use a combination of hr and wattage to determine where I am training in relation to my LT and At thresholds and periodically get retested to update the metrics for my training zones. Gets very complicated and required an investment in a power tap hub for a wheel build but it has worked very well for me and at 59 I can prerform at higher levels than I could at a fit 40.</p>
<p>Just to augment what I posted above, what I’m really suggesting is that if someone is going to use hr alone to determine training zones or measure how hard they are training, the research suggests that the HRR calculation is a better measure of how hard you are working than a straight percentage of heart rate, particularly at 60-85% levels. HRR gives you higher intensity training in that range than straight percentages and therefore one is likely to see more improvement with the former than the latter if you are a general fitness exerciser limited to 45-60 minutes of cardio a day.</p>
<p>However, if you are seeking performance gains beyond fitness and health, any training based simply on hr, regardless of what type of percentage calculation is used, misses the mark (as does focusing on VO2 maxalone). Far more important than mere heart rate (or the % VO2 max) is the wattage you produce at given heart rates and at your Lactic and Aerobic Thresholds. You want to raise your lactic and Aerobic thresholds to higher heart rates and wattage levels, increase the time you can spend at and above your LT and AT levels, raise your maximum wattage and reduce your hr at given wattage levels. Far more complexity than a fitness exerciser would want or need.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, if you are seeking fitness and health, hr rate percentages work fine and it really doesn’t matter greatly if you use HRR or straight percentages as long as you are up and moving! If you are going to use hr to measure intensity, though, I think HRR is a better measure.</p>
<p>The problem is that so much of that training philosophy is based on “science” that has turned out to be wrong. A classic example is “lactic acid” that was thought for decades to be the cause of muscle burn, so the whole idea was to prevent the buildup of lactic acid. Now it turns out that lactic acid isn’t the cause of “muscle burn” and that a build up of lactic acid is probably a good thing, not a bad thing:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/16/health/nutrition/16run.html[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/16/health/nutrition/16run.html</a></p>
<p>The state of the art today in exercise science is basically that nobody really understands what causes the point at which muscles start to “burn”. That doesn’t change the idea that you would like to go harder, longer before reaching that point… because once you do reach that point, the heart rate is going to go up and you are basically done.</p>
<p>I know from my Airdyne intervals and from mountain climbing hikes that burning thighs are a sure sign that I cannot keep going. I can maybe gut out another 30 seconds, but the heart rate is going to keep going up and I’m going to have to stop and recover, hands on hips, panting… So, even though it’s not from lactic acid buildup, something physiological is linking those burning muscles to the end of the road. Since I’m hiking for several hours, I’ve learned that I have got to pace myself. Just using the “rest step” (locking the downhill leg and pausing for split second after each step) makes a big difference as it deloads the thigh muscle. For me, I’ve got to keep my heart rate below 85% of my true max (or 80% of my heart rate reserve) on these hikes. At 85%, I stop and recover for 30 to 60 seconds, and take a swig of water.</p>
<p>BTW, the best argument I’ve seen for longer steady state training at lower heart rates is that training in these zones increases the size of the heart muscles and allows the heart to pump more blood.</p>
<p>Sorry to interrupt your discussion of HR and VO2 max. I though this article would be of interest to some posters, since it talks about what calories are and how much energy a person needs to/should consume and burn per day (there are some handy calculators of basal metabolic rate):</p>
<p>[How</a> Many Calories Should I Eat?](<a href=“http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/245588.php]How”>Calories: Recommended intake, burning calories, tips, and daily needs)</p>
<p>Rest day yesterday - just had too much stuff to do before coming home (storm prep and some other things). I swapped computers with my daughter today. I got an old iMac and she got my 2-year-old custom-built computer.</p>
<p>I plugged in her new mouse and it prompted on some driver stuff and it hung and the machine was hosed when I tried to get it back. It looks like it fried the BIOS and the OS. I managed to reflash the BIOS but it crashed on startup so I tried a bunch of things and eventually wound up reinstalling Windows. Then I went to get all of the drivers for the system (that’s the way it is when you build your own system), installed them and she’s installing her stuff.</p>
<p>The iMac is a lot slower than my machine but it has a really nice 27 inch display. I can live with a slower system.</p>
<p>Bunsen,</p>
<p>I liked that article you shared on how many calories we need. I have generally assumed around 2K for me per day as I am fairly active and seem to have a reasonable good metabolism. That is why some of the calorie restriction diets on this thread just astonish me. </p>
<p>Eating disorders . . . sometimes it’s amazing to just imagine a world where no one is worrying about losing weight or keeping from losing weight. If someone really does invent the silver bullet to the whole thing, what on Earth will we all obsess about???</p>
<p>Interesteddad, didn’t see your post when I posted this morning. What you are basically saying is that % VO2 max (HRR) and LT are not good metrics around which to build a training regimen. So what does that then leave as a metric to use in structuring training zones and to measure intensity of a workout. How do you know if your intervals are too intense, not intense enough or just right? Given the broad variances that occur between % hr and % HRR below the 85% level, how do you know the number of beats per minute will give you the training effect you want?</p>
<p>What you are positing is contrary to the the advice and recommendations I have received from very accomplished professional coaches and trainers. It is also inconsistent with my own experience of achieving significant performance increases utilizing training ranges built around those metrics. Even wattage based training is put in the context of hr, LT or AT to determine wattage zones and measure performance gains. So how would you do that?</p>