Diet/Exercise/Health/Wellness Support Thread

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<p>Well, at least you have some distance between you and the store. I work less than a mile away and can walk there. I’ll let you know if they have anything interesting.</p>

<p>Week 2, Day 1 of Show&Go this afternoon. Upped my weights for front squats, speed deadlifts, and DB Reverse Lunges. Then I put my feet into the cold whirlpool for awhile ;)</p>

<p>Does 6 pounds of pot roast braising in my large LeCreuset dutch oven count as red meat? :)</p>

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<p>My condolences! I’m going to find a study that shows correlation between reverse lunges and heart disease so I have an excuse to not do them… :)</p>

<p>If you look up carnitine, you see that red meat has hundreds of mgs while nearly everything else is in single digits. That is the point. If this link is true, then it means reducing not eliminating the amount of carnitine. </p>

<p>One neat point is they treated people with antibiotics that killed the bacteria in the gut and then tested with carnitine and found the TMAO link was gone for a while. Neat proof of the idea. </p>

<p>All things like this are correlations. I’ve never worried much about dietary cholesterol, for example, because I think it’s role for most people in heart disease is much less than genetic history and other risk factors, like smoking or being heavy and not exercising. And I don’t take how a science writer describes work as being meaningful. That a writer says fat and cholesterol links are suspect does not mean the science experiment is about that. From what I can see, it isn’t and that part is more part of what one does when writing an article about something: emphasize differences and newness, etc. </p>

<p>The actual suggestion of the study - which I have read (I can’t find an ungated version) - says things like:</p>

<p>“Discovery of a link between L-carnitine ingestion, gut microbiota metabolism and CVD risk has broad health-related implications. Our studies reveal a new pathway potentially linking dietary red meat ingestion with atherosclerosis pathogenesis. The role of gut microbiota in this pathway suggests new potential therapeutic targets for preventing CVD. Furthermore, our studies have public health relevance, as L-carnitine is a common over-the-counter dietary supplement. Our results suggest that the safety of chronic L-carnitine supplementation should be examined, as high amounts of orally ingested L-carnitine may under some conditions foster growth of gut microbiota with an enhanced capacity to produce TMAO and potentially advance atherosclerosis.”</p>

<p>So please don’t take the words of a science writer for a newspaper as science. They aren’t saying fat and cholesterol don’t matter. I suspect they believe, as many do, that fat and cholesterol don’t explain enough so there must be other pathways. As a doctor quoted in Nature’s article says, “It leads to an interesting question that I don’t have the answer to: Is there evidence that red meat consumption in people taking statins is still associated with cardiovascular risk? I don’t think we know that yet,” [Dr. Daniel] Rader said. [He was not involved in the research, btw.] </p>

<p>The science writer seems to have taken this idea and rewritten it: </p>

<p>While the connection between a diet high in red meat and heart disease is well established, the association can’t be entirely explained by the amount of cholesterol and fat in the foods, Rader and Hazen explained. “The risk of heart disease is disproportionately high to the amount of cholesterol and saturated fat in the meat,” said Hazen.</p>

<p>In other words, eat red meat in moderation, at least until this research is developed further.</p>

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<p>Guess I’ll just get heart disease… I love them myself…</p>

<p>Wow, MOfWC, that is so impressive! Congrats on the two perfect races. :slight_smile: You deserve the biggest adult milkshake from that place and more! Happy anniversary!</p>

<p>Adult milkshakes, what a great idea! :D</p>

<p>Congrats again MOWC!</p>

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<p>I’m not convinced that killing off our gut bacteria is a terrific idea.</p>

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<p>From reading about the lead researcher, it looks like he’s got NIH funding to run down a list of gut-flora related by-products of eating meat that could possibly be linked to coronary artery disease. This is the second paper he’s written with a new “link” between eating red meat and coronary disease. Probably just a coincidence that he’s only looked at meat/gut flora interaction so far. I’m sure he’s got soy products on the list to study next! :slight_smile: Looks like an NIH fishing expedition after the Women’s Health Initiative fiasco blew a hole in the lipid hypothesis. The researcher also has signed contracts to develop testing procedures for these two heretofore-recognized risk factors!</p>

<p>I’d be curious to see any decent evidence that eating meat is even significantly linked to coronary artery disease. That’s hardly been established. The Women’s Health Initiative study of some 40,000 women showed no improvement in coronary disease risk among the half who were coached to (and did) cut their consumption of saturated fat and cholesterol.</p>

<p>My adult milkshake was amazing. Vanilla vodka, root beer, vanilla ice cream and God knows what else.<br>
Did some weight work today carrying some 6 packs of local brew about 6 blocks back to the hotel. Ordered by my daughter. St. Louis has good beer- not just Budweiser! </p>

<p>The marathoners in our group got sunburned. It was a tough day. Onenofmour ladies won masters in the full, a guy (husband of one of our lady runners) did his first full in 4:04. He’s cramping up at the bar/milkshake place. Isn’t this fun? :)</p>

<p>And SPECIAL congrats to CC moderator MaineLonghorn who completed the half marathon today (part of our group here in St Louis) when she didn’t even think she was going to run due to some recent set-backs in training!</p>

<p>Wow, a guest participant. Who knew?</p>

<p>Party time for MaineLonghorn, too!</p>

<p>Maybe MLH can provide us with a story when she gets back.</p>

<p>Congratulations to MLH, too! </p>

<p>Ummmmm, milkshake sounds yummy…</p>

<p>Way to go, MLH! Milkshake sounds great and well deserved. </p>

<p>Quiet day here…I walked sabadog 2 miles, then I did day 1, week 3 of C25k. Very windy here. Then H and I took sabadog to the park and walked another 2 miles. Then we did some outdoor retriever training this afternoon. Nice day. Sad to see the weekend end.</p>

<p>6 miles, picked up the pace. It was easier to do with new shoes and a lighter me. Every pound that comes off is noticeable if you run a moderate number of miles daily. The old shoes had 345 miles on them. Definitely too many miles but I didn’t have spares so I had to wait to reload the closet.</p>

<p>This running stuff can be expensive when you think about shoes. I think that five to six pairs a year is proper for the number of miles that I’m doing. Maybe MOWC goes through a pair a month. At $100 a pop, that’s an expensive hobby. Quite a bit less than tennis (in colder climes) but it’s not like pickup basketball at the local park. The Runner’s World demographics make a lot more sense when you think about shoes and clothes and the electronic gadgets.</p>

<p>Wow, following a full with a half-- amazing!
Also, congrats to MLH!</p>

<p>Cardio Dance Class - lots of kickboxing and deep squats. They used to call them grand-pli</p>

<p>Stretch/strength/core. I think I’ve got my next race picked out. :)</p>

<p>I’ve been doing Jillian Michaels’ Shredded workout routine and been doing pretty well with it (had to try a bunch of different ones before I found one that didn’t leave my knee in lots of pain… old injury). Something weird though… after every single workout, I am hardcore craving salt. I know <em>why</em> but I don’t know what to do about it. I’ve never had this happen before and I know consuming salty foods is probably not the answer. Any thoughts as to what I can do about this?</p>

<p>I was talking with one of the women in our group who likes LuLulemon, too. We were talking about how narrow the sleeves are on some of the tops. She said, “Yeah, I think their target market is affluent giraffes!”</p>

<p>There was an elderly man on the course today with a shirt that said “1000 marathon Larry”! Can you imagine! I also saw a blade runner- 2 blades for legs. </p>

<p>The woman who ran my 4:37 with me ran 4:27 with another woman today. She’s still walking and drinking. Tonight was craft beer .</p>

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<p>Put some extra salt on your food at your meals?</p>