<p>You’ve got a lot of issues involved in that question that are really hard to pin down without more specifics. So, here are some random thoughts, in no particular order, that may or may not be relevant to your situation.</p>
<p>a) I don’t know what kind of shape you started out in. I started out 90 pounds overweight, not having exercised in decades, and one of my goals was to walk a mile (4 laps of football field) without getting winded. It took me over a year to be able to start jogging. If you are in that kind of shape with that kind of extra weight, running/jogging will take a massive physical toll on you. Despite all the couch to whatever fat loss programs, the really smart trainers would NEVER use running as a primary approach for an overweight or de-conditioned fat loss client. The injury rate is just way too high and it’s not a particularly effective approach.</p>
<p>2) With that in mind, if you are in that category, I would suggest backing way off the running. Crank up the intensity on your walking. Find some hills. Walk up the steps of the football bleachers once or twice after every lap. After a year of that kind of walking and losing a ton of weight, I started walk/jogging, but I only do it once a week. You can’t run to get fit; you have to be fit to run and I figure I’m fit enough for jogging a little bit maybe once a week. To me, a good workout shouldn’t result in soreness that lasts more than overnight.</p>
<p>3) I’m concerned about two issues you raise: being totally exhausted and gaining weight unless you skip dinner and starve yourself. I would want to get the standard panel of bloodwork done, plus a few extra tests, just to rule out that there isn’t something wrong causing those issues. For example something as simple as low thyroid could cause those symptoms (exhaustion and easy weight gain). Most guys will not gain weight on 2000 calories a day and you don’t have to skip dinner to stay at 2000 calories!</p>
<p>4) I started out working out three days a week – every other day, with a full day to recover in between. The early workouts included core exercises, strength training, and some cardio intervals. Then, I added walking (on hills, but NO jogging) another two or three days, in between my main workouts. I think alternating workouts like that, day to day, is a huge help in avoiding soreness. I try to make it a point of never doing the same thing two days in a row. For example, I would not do the KB swings every day. I would not jog two days in a row. About the only thing I would do two days in a row is walk.</p>
<p>We started a program at work to see who could lose more weight in 12 weeks. At initial weight in, I had a BMI of 35 thus was 74 lb over weight per BMI normal weight. </p>
<p>Did go to doctor to get a full blood work done and everything were normal except high blood suger and high blood pressure. As of today, I am at 30 BMI after 9 weeks of intensive exercise program couple of managing intakes. Both blood suger and pressure are under control.</p>
<p>This past Wednesday morning, I weighted my self at the lowest point. That day and Thursday we had two day long meetings where food were provided. Even so I ate very little, but I got no exercise for those two day. I went extreme on my jogging Friday and Saturday night, skip dinner on Friday. This AM, I still weight more than Wednesday morning. </p>
<p>If I only walked, it would not have much effect. Now I am facing the Wednesday weight in. My plan was to skip dinner on tonight, jog like hell on all nights. But I am totally tired. Could not pick up my socks without sore/pain. Those 35 lb weight KB swings were very hard on my back.</p>
<p>Typically, DW and I would start walking together. After one warm up lap, I would start jogging. Last night, I could lap her about once every 1.8 lap while she did her power walk.</p>
<p>Dad II, I started C25K at the beginning of May, went through that, and am now working on taking it the rest of the way to be ready for an actual 5K event. In my experience, and I’m the skinny chick, jogging does mean body saying, oh yes, nap! Would like a good snooze! I jog three times a week and do stretching and mini-weights or some walking on the off days, except for one day which is a rest day. If I’m sorer than I’d like, I leave two days between the jogging days, one of them for rest. I put this out there just as another data point to compare.</p>
<p>The Hal Higdon intermediate 5K training plan has two rest days per week. I definitely need one rest day per week even though I may do something fairly light for a day or two - or sometimes I won’t do anything at all.</p>
<p>If I am so tired or my body is uncomfortable to the point that it’s screaming at me to rest, then I’ll rest - and on some days, sleep for 12 or more hours.</p>
<p>One other thought, DadII: Are you eating enough protein? If you are eating high-carb foods, you might be experiencing spikes in blood sugar, which could account for some of the tiredness.</p>
<p>iDad, thanks for posting the hike pics. It’s like being there, only with zero soreness afterward! The hiker looks very happy. :)</p>
<p>MOWC, amazing! Don’t know how you do it. That is a lot of miles. Now about this up close and personal smelling the flowers business, take care of yourself and choose ones above ground level!</p>
<p>That photo was taken 4.5 miles into it, on the way down. I was chewed up and spit out by that point. My legs were crying uncle – mostly the outside of my hips.</p>
<p>dadII:</p>
<p>You are doing fantastic! The aches and pains and tiredness sound like simple over-use. I guess I would just gut it out 'til the end of the work fat loss challenge and then transition to a more sustainable long-term program. I’m pretty convinced that the tortoise wins the race on this fat loss and fitness stuff, especially as we get older.</p>
<p>DadII- You might be dehydrated. I think you are in the Midwest, if I am remembering correctly, and you have had some terrible heat. Your urine should be light colored and you shouldn’t be going more than 2-3 hours without needing to pee. Being dehydrated will NOT help your weight loss goal.</p>
<p>Calves are still tight from Friday’s box jumps, that is, stepping down off the box. I noticed that I always step down with my right leg first and my right calf is much tighter than the left.</p>
<p>I may still try to get some kb swings in. For those of you new to kbs, I would look at some of the youtube stuff idad has posted here in the past. I have noticed that especially men tend to make this way more of an upper body workout than it is intended to be. You shouldn’t be feeling this very much in the back if you are doing this right. The exertion comes from the lower body-- momentum from the hip snap where all the power is generated.</p>
<p>May be my short term objective is to lose a lot of body weight fast. Which may not be really good for overall fitness. Competing with someone 1/2 your age to lose weight is very challenging. As of last week, I was the chart leader by about 2%. Three weeks remaining. One guy posted almost 5% lose per week once. So I just can’t stop.</p>
<p>We saw a diet nurse the other day, she did say I am eating way too much carb. Can’t help it because streamed white rice is the base of our diet. Might start to eat more chicken meat and fish. To MOWC, I drink a lot, I mean really, a lot of water every day. </p>
<p>well, it looks like everyone’s routing is some what different and the common thing is to rest if your body is telling to do so. Instead of jogging tonight, I might just take it easy for one day.</p>
<p>CJane, in gymnastics they have that nice thick pad on the other side of the vault…</p>
<p>How do you even get 20" high without a springboard? I saw a YouTube video of box jumps but still am not clear how that happens. No running start, no springboard, where does it come from?</p>
<p>great hike pics, idad. I can’t wait to get myself back to the mountains.</p>
<p>MOWC – amazing commitment and I am loving the fact that you are getting so much running in with your daughter. Stay safe!</p>
<p>Deborah-- have you picked a 5K race yet?</p>
<p>DadII congrats on the progress. Hang in there and realize that your body is adapting and part of the process is experimenting in adjusting what will and what won’t work for you.</p>
<p>Deborah-- the momentum for the box jump comes from essentially the same movement as the kb swing, believe it or not. idad posted some youtube of box jumps here, as well. </p>
<p>When I first started doing them, I had a mental block and couldn’t believe that I could generate enough momentum to get up there.</p>
<p>Yes, I think I know which race. I’ll PM you.</p>
<p>The CrossFit Box Jumps video is the one I watched. That big box is high! I could see myself being the gal when she bashes into the front of it. :eek:</p>
<p>Yeah. I consciously think “hip hinge” before every jump. Otherwise, it’s so easy to fall into trying to generate all the power from bending the knees. </p>
<p>I do 16 inches, but try to clear it by a mile. I probably could do 20 inches, but that would be a stretch. Maybe I’ll kick the 16 inchers up a notch and do them with my backpack! :)</p>
<p>Thanks. I don’t take running with my daughter for granted for one minute. It is a real gift and a surprise. </p>
<p>When WildChild was 6-9 I ran with him but then he got too fast. H took over until WC was 11 and too fast for him! I ran his first 10K with him when he was 8or 9 and he had some asthma problems on the course and was crying because he didn’t like his pace. People were looking at me like I was an abusive parent and making him run! I told him if he didn’t stop crying we were going to sit on the curb because I was going to get in trouble! he was quite the little celebrity in the Dallas running community! Mixed blessing…</p>
The hiker looks very happy. :)</p>
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