<p>I think that if this is just examined anecdotally, you can end up with a wide variety of different “pictures.” Where we live, most of the SAHM’s are non-degreed. Of course if I just look in <em>my</em> circle of friends, then most of them ARE degreed. As a woman with two degrees, I married a non-degreed man, yet HE Is the one who works in our family, and I am the one who has stayed home. I think it totally depends upon the area of the country (and even individual communities)…it is terribly hard to generalize from one neighborhood, town, or even larger city. ~berurah</p>
<p>ooohhhh I love tiaras!!! </p>
<p>When I was in the second grade and made my first communion, my headpiece had a crown. Afterwards, I got to take the veil part off and wear the crown all the time. I LOVED IT!!!</p>
<p>I need some girls in my house!!!</p>
<p>B~ >>> As I said, my 11-year-old will still pick out something with “Princess” or “Cutie” on it, but it is NOT done with the deep psychological meaning that ADULTS tend to assign to this stuff. She might buy it because it is a color she likes or it has glitter on it or because she LIKES princesses…no crime there, IMHO. <<<</p>
<p>B… You’re right. What I was really referring to is the older girls (girls with “figures”) that are running around with (usually tiny, tight) shirts that say “hottie”, “Too Cute For You”, etc.</p>
<p>I think a lot of us think its cute to see little girls (with little bodies) wearing “little girl” clothes that might have cute sayings on them (Like “princess” or “daddy’s little girl”, etc). and the more glitter and glitz, the better !!! 
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<p>I think that you agree that that “hottie” and “sexy” (etc) can become “objectifying” on “developed” girls. </p>
<p>As to all the “revealing” clothes out there: Frankly, with all the “young flesh” that is exposed on school campuses these days, I’m surprised boys can pay attention to school at all. The girls at a nearby hs go to school with so little on their bodies. And, what they are wearing is skin tight.</p>
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hey jl~ Well, you can probably tell from my earlier post that, indeed, I do see a difference between a young girl wearing certain “vanity shirts” and older girls wearing the type of clothes that you mentioned. My older girls do not wear those types of shirts because 1.) The don’t like tiny, tight shirts (see my Tommy Hilfiger thread), and 2.) They would consider them more b-o-a-s-t-f-u-l than “objectifying.”</p>
<p>All that said, those types of shirts are definitely not a buzz issue with me (though I will admit to getting kind of grossed out when I see women MY age wearing them, which I have from time to time) :eek: That is simply because I do not read into them what some others do…for example, I think it is perfectly plausible that a girl might be wearing something like that and STILL be an essentially empowered girl who is wearing it because it is faddish. Basically, again, what I am trying to say is that I don’t read too much into clothing selection (unless it is TERRBILY inappropriate to a given occasion). I think that the objectification of women comes from many other more critical sources than vanity shirts, most crucially, the treatment of women/girls in the home where the girl is being raised. There is NO WAY on earth, vanity shirts or NO vanity shirts, that my girls will take guff from ANY guy, but THAT is because they have a family that has both modeled AND taught that girls/women should both DEMAND and EXPECT respect from men…and everyone else. :D</p>
<p>~berurah, who is still your favorite, I hope! ;)</p>
<p>JLauer,</p>
<p>Actually, a few friends and I were talking about what to wear to the bar exam. The theory was that we should all wear super-short skirts, tight, low tops, and heels - knowing that all of the men in the room would not pass, thus helping us along with any curve that the state might impose. ;)</p>
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aries~</p>
<p><strong>NOW</strong> you understand the concept of female empowerment! ;)</p>
<p>Actually, I can recall quite a few incidents from my teenage- and young womanhood years in which silly men did goofy things around me…For example, when I was about 18, this policeman stopped me for speeding. When he came over the the car, he peeked in and saw that I was wearing short-shorts (this was February in Texas). He said, “Ummmmm, I <em>think</em> you have a tail light out—come out here so that I can show you.” After I walked around to the back of the car (and he followed me…;)), we discovered that the tail light was NOT out…in fact, it was working just fine. Oh, and he forgot all about issuing me a speeding ticket! :D</p>
<p>I could tell you TONS of similar tales, but…well, you get the idea. So, yeah, wear the short skirts to the bar exam. GOOD IDEA! :)</p>
<p>~berurah</p>
<p>JLauer,</p>
<p>aries: Actually, a few friends and I were talking about what to wear to the bar exam. The theory was that we should all wear super-short skirts, tight, low tops, and heels - knowing that all of the men in the room would not pass, thus helping us along with any curve that the state might impose. <<<</p>
<p>What a funny idea!!! Next the guys will have to come with blinders on… </p>
<p>BUT, if the guys start coming in with trays of chocolate, then how are the girls going to be able concentrate!</p>
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<p>and, yes, B~ you are STILL the favorite!!! </p>
<p>I totally agree with your statements.</p>
<p>B~ >>> My older girls do not wear those types of shirts because 1.) The don’t like tiny, tight shirts (see my Tommy Hilfiger thread), and 2.) They would consider them more b-o-a-s-t-f-u-l than “objectifying.” <<<</p>
<p>Yes, boa****l (why is it changing the spelling???)l… I think that kind of goes with an earlier post of mine where I said that back in “my day” girls wouldn’t wear these shirts because they were more humble and modest about their beauty. (modest meaning humble – not the “cover me up in a burka” modesty).</p>
<p>ok, I’m dumb…</p>
<p>Why won’t CC take the word b-o-a-s-t-f-u-l without the hyphens??</p>
<p>Because s-t-f-u has a bad connotation…:eek:</p>
<p>B~ Thanks… I’ll have to ask my kids… I’m not up on the latest nasty phrases.</p>
<p>oh ywah you cant Say w<em>i</em>s<em>t</em>ful either</p>
<p>( its something I would love to yell at the news every so often)</p>
<p>learning something new all the time… </p>
<p>I really need to keep up with this kind of stuff…</p>