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<p>so it is “unethical” when students do it, but not alums?</p>
<p>frenchie- if I may answer for why I think it is unethical- post 19 sums it up for me. I believe the intent behind discounted student tickets is so the univ. can offer a “perk” to its students, to see the game. Imo, to buy student discounted ticket(s) with the intent to profit from resale is unethical.</p>
<p>^^exactly :)</p>
<p>So just because they paid less originally and would make a bit more money off of the resale, it’s unethical whereas it would be totally fine if an adult who bought full-priced tickets waited until a couple of days before game day and did the same thing?</p>
<p>A lot of things are student discounted, ex. movie tickets in a lot of theatres. People resell all the time and they are, in most places, aside from right outside the venue itself, perfectly legally entitled to do so. If you don’t want to get stuck buying a resold ticket at a higher price, don’t be slow. Problem solved. I see no issue with the legal resale of something you have rightfully paid for, regardless of whether it happened to be discounted or not.</p>
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<p>But how do you know their intent. The vast majority of students purchase tix so they can attend a game or two or five. But their class schedule might include a lab or discussion section in the evening so they can’t attend all games. Should they not be able to resell the ticket above face value? Why not?</p>
<p>Legal may or may not equal ethical. They aren’t the same concept.</p>
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<p>Obviously they can sell the ticket above face value. That doesn’t make it ethical. The question is: Is this ethical?</p>
<p>Maybe we could start keeping score? ;)</p>
<p>I’m aware, and in my opinion this is both (legal and ethical). I agree with bluebayou.</p>
<p>You are changing gears, frenchie, when you switch the topic to what is legal. This thread is about the ethics of student ticket sales, not the legality.
And for me, yes, I see a difference between a discounted student ticket being re-sold and a standard for-sale-to-the-public ticket being sold, because of the intent as described in my post 22.</p>
<p>To blue bayou- I wondered if someone might take me out of context. I do not know all student’s intent when they purchase discounted tickets. I did not address all students in my post. I ask you to re-read my post. Imo, those who purchase a ticket with the intent to re-sell are behaving unethically.</p>
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<p>Yes, it does, as does every federal/state program that is implemented…just because there may be misuse is not the same as there is purposeful misuse (which I would agree is not cool). But the question then becomes, how many students actually purchase a season pass with the sole purpose of re-selling them? I would guess not to many would want to part with thier tkt to the big rival.</p>
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<p>How do you KNOW intent? Can you look into someone’s heart/sole? And if you can’t really know intent, then how is it possible to opine ‘unethical’?</p>
<p>The tickets won’t necessarily be available to your son at above face value. If this is Duke we’re talking about, for instance, then I can see why the student section of the arena was oversubscribed / sold out. And it was probably sold out on day #1 too.</p>
<p>However, when Duke plays “little sisters of the poor” in an early non-ACC game then your son should be able to buy posted tickets at well below “student face value”. When UNC comes to town though the price will then be multiple times above face value!</p>
<p>One season pack of tickets per student is typical, and they’re often resold. I doubt that many students go to each and every game.</p>
<p>Fine - I’ll say that even if it were illegal, then, I would see no ETHICAL problem (just wouldn’t advise it for fear of getting caught). How in the world does adding “intent to resell” to a purchase make that purchase/resale unethical? Is profit unethical? “The early bird gets the worm.” Crying “unethical” in this case just kind of sounds like sour grapes to me, but to each his own :P</p>
<p>If the student ticket is resold to another student at face value, that is ethical… and we are really clear about the intent of the student ticket buyer and seller.</p>
<p>Profit can be ethical or unethical. It depends on the circumstances.</p>
<p>Bluebayou in posts #30 says “But the question then becomes, how many students actually purchase a season pass with the sole purpose of selling them?”</p>
<p>Well, a select few do. Way back in the day a friend of mine (now a lawyer!) and I collected student ID’s up and down our dorms hall, then used our student loan $ (before tuition was due) to buy roughly 20 season tickets apiece. We each kept our own (actually, I’m pretty sure we kept the very best 2 seats) and sold off the rest so that we’d be less poor students. So it’s unusual, but it does happen. </p>
<p>And no, showing a student ID to enter the arena with your student ticket wasn’t necessary back then…not sure it is now either.</p>
<p>I have already addressed that, bayou(post 30). I do not know all people’s intent, I repeat. But for those that do buy with the intent to re-sell…</p>
<p>Are you trying to claim that absolutely no student buys discounted tickets with the intent to re-sell? If only 1 student does so, then my opinion holds true for that one student.</p>
<p>If student buys with no intent to resell at a profit, then decides not to attend the game and does resell at a profit - that is unethical. imho</p>
<p>The ethical choice, imho, is to sell the unwanted/unneeded student ticket to another student for face value.</p>
<p>If you advocate putting a limit on the resale value of a ticket (restricting it to face value), it seems to me you DO have an ethical problem with the notion of profit. What’s wrong with forethought and timely action even if a student DOES buy a pass with intent to resell? I would say “Bravo to you, good sir, for being keen in your commercial endeavors. Best of luck to you selling those overpriced tickets - I will not be purchasing one.” And that would be that.</p>
<p>Edit - I go to UNC and was slow and didn’t get any basketball tickets and am “poor” and so won’t be going to any games, so essentially that is in fact what I have already said to the scalpers^. :P</p>
<p>of course it happens ivyparent, and when it does, it ain’t cool. </p>
<p>But that is not necessarily the OP’s issue. Or at least we have no way of knowing if the OP could not buy her son a season pass because a bunch of other kids bought tix with the sole intent to resell. Sure, some did. But if it ain’t many, then to me, the only ethical question, is first come-first served for season passes-- that disadvantages the poor students who are trying to save up to purchase one. (But that does not appear to be the OP’s situation.)</p>
<p>The intent is irrelevant. The action is unethical. </p>
<p>The fact that it is allowed is unethical. It is an unfortunate development that our institutions of higher learning teach more and more questionable ethics. </p>
<p>If an alum sells discounted tickets for a profit, that’s even more unethical, IMHO.</p>
<p>perhaps we cross posted, frenchie(post 31). To answer you question “how in the world does…”
Your query is already answered(for me) in posts 19 and 22. Basically, I feel a student that has that intent is undermining what I believe is the intent of the school, discounting tickets. The school doesn’t refer to them as “wholesale tickets” that phrasing would certainly indicate they intended for them to be resold at a profit.</p>
<p>Frenchie. Pm me if you want tickets to a specific game. Not duke, obviously. I may be able to get you a couple. If I’m ever not going, I will GIVE them to you!</p>
<p>Go heels!</p>