Does anyone else feel like majority of transfer students here are grossly subpar??

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123456789bc: You are just an *******. Plain and simple, you also take everything WAY too literally. I was using my circumstance as an example of a transfer, and I know for a fact that I had it easy. My whole argument is still the same and applies to ALL transfers. We are all looking for second chances and worked hard to get there, and thus deserve the chance to get into the same universities. The reason we aren’t subject to standardized testing is because we proved our ability to do well at a University level by overcoming our circumstances and planning out a successful cc transfer program, which despite what you may believe is a lot harder than it seems. High School students have no other way to prove their ability other than standardized testing and EC’s which are only required because they know that high school curriculum in America is the equivalent to a 7th grade education in most industrialized nations in the world. Academics are the same everywhere…UC Berkeley has prestige because of its history in Civil Rights, it was the first UC, and because it just happened to have good professors when it began, prompting more famous and well-known professors in their fields to continue to work at the University. Just because someone is famous by the way that doesnt necessarily make them better professors, that makes them good writers/and or lucky enough to get published. The curriculum is the same as any other University and in fact you probably take more classes from actual professors and less TA’s at most other Universities that aren’t research Universities. Besides, like someone else pointed out, a lot of students at Berkeley are NOT math/science majors and so your arguments for weeders are ridiculous and just as individualistic as any argument. Most transfers are like me, they couldnt hack it in high school for whatever reason: they were lazy and didnt think it was important, they had family issues, they went to a discouraging high school, etc, either way if someone is looking to be a transfer they obviously made the same realization as me at one point or another (under their own circumstances) that they wanted and deserved better and worked hard to get there by attending a CC. I understand that you may never understand this because you never had to hack it in the “real world” which is working pay check to pay check and having no prospect of a future, so its hard to imagine that some of us look at going to college as a challenge and an opportunity that only exists when you work for it, and not just an obvious “next step” opportunity that you were obviously trained for throughout your whole childhood, but that is where transfers stand. We worked just as hard, we just took a different route. I’m sorry but no matter how many times you say it, staying up for 24 hours for two weeks studying for the SAT’s in High School does NOT compare to 5 years of working 50 hours a week at a retail job, or raising a family off of food stamps, or whatever struggles a transfer went through, whether self-caused or not (which by the way I know those example might be to specific for you but trust me, they apply to ALL transfers). Maybe you should stop the pity party and realize that all people have struggles and that whether its academic or not we all have the intelligence to exceed in an institution at Berkeley, it all just comes down to having the opportunity to get in, and for some of us that is through CC because HS didnts provide it for whatever reason. Also, if you want me to be more specific, this is proven by all the transfers who have graduated from BERKELEY and received their degrees and by all those that did well while at BERKELEY. Obviously transfers are equivalent and not Sub Par or else they wouldnt be able to hack it at Berkeley once there. Like I said, take your gripe out on why you HAD to take these ridiculous tests and less on as to why transfers dont. We dont have to because we took the HARDER route and deserve the break (which isnt very much of one if you ask me). For those transfers that when into CC knowing they were working the system and thus purposefully did so just to avoid “weeder” classes (which Im certain is TINY percentage) I say kudos to them! They were smarter than all of us and really did take the “easy” way out which is exactly what we all wish we could do, and all thought of earlier!

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<p>no, I will not read your essay.</p>

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We are all looking for second chances and worked hard to get there, and thus deserve the chance to get into the same universities. The reason we aren’t subject to standardized testing is because we proved our ability to do well at a University level by overcoming our circumstances and planning out a successful cc transfer program

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<p>i read until here and realized that you’re an idiot who isn’t even worth arguing with.</p>